Hodge doesn't think we should send them back, but their homes shouldn't be that nice

cleanbluesky · 20 May 2007 at 13:01

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6673911.stm

The Industry Minister Margaret Hodge has said UK families should be given priority over immigrants when it comes to receiving council housing.

The cynic in me thinks that she doesn't actually care, but are well aware that the BNP could take her seat with potential ease

Van_Dammesque · 20 May 2007 at 13:07

cleanbluesky said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6673911.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6673911.stm
Good News.

The cynic in me thinks that she doesn't actually care, but are well aware that the BNP could take her seat with potential ease

I doubt most politicains care tbh. I suppose that is the defintion of force democracy of the people in her area, but, if she doesn't care then she should stand by her own policies; another defintion of politcal/power greed - again I think which is common to most politicians.

deadite66 · 20 May 2007 at 15:08

irregardless of her motive i think the sentiment is fair enough.

families who have paid into the tax system for years should be ahead of those that arrived to the UK that week, doesn't matter what kind of housing they are currently in because if they don't like it they can go home again.
seems fair to me.

dirtydog · 20 May 2007 at 16:36

cleanbluesky said:
The cynic in me thinks that she doesn't actually care, but are well aware that the BNP could take her seat with potential ease

Definitely. Nobody in New Labour actually gives a toss about issues like this except where it might lose them their seat on the gravy train.

Immigrants should never get any access to council or social housing while there is one single native person on the housing list.

RDM · 20 May 2007 at 17:45

cleanbluesky said:
The cynic in me thinks that she d...nservative candidate saying the right things.

cleanbluesky · 20 May 2007 at 17:49

RDM said:
As the BNP made no real gains in the locals and have not really come close to gaining a seat in the Commons I really don't think they are too much of a worry. However a stronger stance on immigration may help her fight off a conservative candidate saying the right things.

Her constituency is Barking and Dagenham, a place where the last election saw the BNP win each of the 13 odd seats they fielded.

Matt · 20 May 2007 at 17:50

Surely it's hugely obvious that UK families should get priority over immigrants!?

starscream · 20 May 2007 at 17:53

dirtydog said:
Immigrants should never get any access to council or social housing while there is one single native person on the housing list.

What do you mean by immigrants? First, second generation?

I would prefer a system that rather than prioritise who has access to housing, made decent housing available to everyone that needed it. Perhaps if it wasn't all being sold off at hugely discounted rates, it wouldn't be such a problem.

starscream · 20 May 2007 at 17:54

Matt said:
Surely it's hugely obvious that UK families should get priority over immigrants!?

Why?

me227 · 20 May 2007 at 17:54

Matt said:
Surely it's hugely obvious that UK families should get priority over immigrants!?

Yeah this just seems like common sense. But sadly that is what is lacking in most politicians.

RDM · 20 May 2007 at 17:55

cleanbluesky said:
Her constituency is Barking and Dagenham, a place where the last election saw the BNP win each of the 13 odd seats they fielded.

Any idea what the result was like on the last general election? As far as I am aware the BNP have never been close to winning a seat in the House of Commons and I don't see that changing in the near future.

cleanbluesky · 20 May 2007 at 17:55

starscream said:
I would prefer a system that rather than prioritise who has access to housing, made decent housing available to everyone that needed it.

Wahaha ha ha ha ha *cough* *cough*

Perhaps if it wasn't all being sold off at hugely discounted rates, it wouldn't be such a problem.

Or, perhaps if we didn't have so many immigrants. Oh, and you underestimate the problem, some areas in London have something like 10% population emergency housing needs.

cleanbluesky · 20 May 2007 at 17:56

RDM said:
Any idea what the result was like on the last general election? As far as I am aware the BNP have never been close to winning a seat in the House of Commons and I don't see that changing in the near future.

IIRC the BNP candidate was no-where near winning a seat in the HoC, but their support has grown immeasurably since then because up until they won 13 they had only minimal support

dirtydog · 20 May 2007 at 18:07

starscream said:
What do you mean by immigrants? First, second generation?

I would prefer a system that rather than prioritise who has access to housing, made decent housing available to everyone that needed it. Perhaps if it wasn't all being sold off at hugely discounted rates, it wouldn't be such a problem.

As Hodge says, social housing will always be finite so somewhere along the line you need to choose who is going to get it. I say: not the immigrants. And that includes second generation.

dirtydog · 20 May 2007 at 18:09

starscream said:
Why?

Just as people who have ties to an area get extra points now. Why should, for example, someone from Liverpool come to Essex and jump the queue over someone who has lived and paid council taxes in Essex all their lives. It goes double for someone who doesn't even have ties to this country - why should they get precious scarce housing when natives wait for many years? You ask why? :confused:

dirtydog · 20 May 2007 at 18:10

RDM said:
Any idea what the result was like on the last general election? As far as I am aware the BNP have never been close to winning a seat in the House of Commons and I don't see that changing in the near future.

If the native people are continually ridden roughshod over then that can change

Glaucus · 20 May 2007 at 18:14

If they just used border control, then we wouldn't have most of this problem. I mean FFS france and other countries have very good border controls and they not even an island, being and island it should be very easy to control. We need a points system and any refugees should be held insecure housings (similar to prisons) until they are processed so they can't wonder around and just get lost in the general population. People who fail should be shipped out within 24hours.

dirtydog · 20 May 2007 at 18:17

AcidHell2 said:
If they just used border control, then we wouldn't have most of this problem. I mean FFS france and other countries have very good border controls and they not even an island, being and island it should be very easy to control. We need a points system and any refugees should be held insecure housings (similar to prisons) until they are processed so they can't wonder around and just get lost in the general population. People who fail should be shipped out within 24hours.

Our membership of the EU doesn't permit us to do this for EU immigrants, which is what Hodge is talking about.

starscream · 20 May 2007 at 18:18

dirtydog said:
As Hodge says, social housing will always be finite so somewhere along the line you need to choose who is going to get it. I say: not the immigrants. And that includes second generation.

So who should get priority over a third generation immigrant whos whole family live in an area, and have 3 generations of contributing to that economy, verses a native Brit from a different part of the country who has just moved down.

dirtydog · 20 May 2007 at 18:19

starscream said:
So who should get priority over a third generation immigrant whos whole family live in an area, and have 3 generations of contributing to that economy, verses a native Brit from a different part of the country who has just moved down.

The native. No question.