Honda and Nissan (and maybe Mitsubishi) merger

I don’t buy the over engineered bit about Honda. They may have been in the 80’s and 90’s. They could never do an efficient diesel. The 04-07 diesel engines had crappy bottom ends. And the petrols were always thirsty compared to their peers. Recents civics were plastic fantastic, same for the current and last gen CRV. I had a 2010 accord and it was a good looking car and drove well, but the e90 and B8 were better cars, it was at the same price point.

Shame we never got some of the funkier Japanese versions of Honda in the UK/EU.
 
The p12 was, as you say, not a good car. And I agree, the SR20 was such a good engine. Only 147bhp and 138ftlb in the p11, but it was still so fun!
 
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Honda are expensive because they are well engineered. They stick with well proven technology and make it at a standard above everyone else, a few steps above some...
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Up until last July we had a 2015 CR-V and it was great, a proper workhorse that handled everything that was thrown at in some properly rural areas. Sadly, the clutch let go and one thing led to another and it was going to cost quite a bit to get it fixed so it had to go.
 
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Honda are expensive because they are well engineered. They stick with well proven technology and make it at a standard above everyone else, a few steps above some...

Nissan used to be like them a long time ago. Since Renault involvement some of their cars have been crap (like the Juke).
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Troll gonna troll. Same guy says German cars overpriced but ignores the engineering
 
I'm a fan of some Honda cars but the days of them being over-engineered are long gone. Everything post 2000 ish (NSX and S2000 aside) are just the same as anything else out of Japan. Probably better than the European stuff for reliability but still built down to a cost.
I have no idea why some people hold them in such high esteem. They haven't made a truly great car since the last NSX and even that was a commercial failure.
 
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Troll gonna troll. Same guy says German cars overpriced but ignores the engineering
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German cars are a lot less reliable though...

Especially when it comes to engines and gearboxes. You only have to look at the list of known issues with VW engines. BMW were bad until Toyota rebuilt their engine for them while designing the Supra/Z4.
 
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Dunno mate. My 14 year old BMW is problem free. But i guess you never owned one to know.

Which EV and BMW you owned pat?
 
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Nasher said:
German cars are a lot less reliable though...

Especially when it comes to engines and gearboxes. You only have to look at the list of known issues with VW engines. BMW were bad until Toyota rebuilt their engine for them while designing the Supra/Z4.
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Supra literally dropped in a b58. Nothing to do with Yamaha
 
Toyota 1CD-FTV and 2AD diesels werent great, crappy bottom ends, rattly chains etc, the 1.8 petrol in the corolla and celica were also trouble some. The 2.2 cdti in the civic and accord had issues with chains.

The hybrid drive train is bullet proof though, the Prius just goes on and on. 3-400k is very easily achievable.
 
Nasher said:
German cars are a lot less reliable though...

Especially when it comes to engines and gearboxes. You only have to look at the list of known issues with VW engines. BMW were bad until Toyota rebuilt their engine for them while designing the Supra/Z4.
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Blah. Blah. Boring. Imagine being so angry at the world you feel the need to post this chunder.

Doesn’t Dennis need to get Nasher on a leash?
 
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Stress of Czech buyout/re-org of postal service will be like Nissan are feeling, or jag experience(d) .... happens to us all - dam brexit, you blew it up!

A warrantied fleet car for a few years doesn't give a real world reliability sense - experience of having it into teenage years, or adulthood does - older NA bmw's definitely reliable,
(ie. how many times haven't you broken down) barely get to know a car in a year, at least on flat badlands of cambs, it's like having a dog and cruelly never taking it out for a walk.
... enough whimsy

Had had a Nissan Juke hire for duration of a work team training course - only nissan/SUV I've driven, was fine.
 
Just got a thing from Nissan with their latest "deals" - N-Connecta spec £34K for a X-Trail, £28K for a Qashqai - definitely pricing themselves out of the market, even with massive discounts still not what most people will spend on a Nissan. Unless they stick better engines in and actually improve the suspension to be more robust in light off-road I wouldn't pay over £30K for a fully loaded Tekna spec X-Trail, in my experience anyway once you get above £25K people start looking at other options over the Qashqai.

I was in the dealer Tuesday and there was a somewhat irate customer in there not happy she couldn't buy a 25 plate Micra and also annoyed that the new Micra is going full EV - doesn't like EVs and wouldn't buy anything less than a 25 plate "only car I ever liked" was her comment on the Micra. Personally think they've stuffed up on the Micra as well, though the new EV one looks like a great car in its own right - the biggest slice of the Micra market are people who are still looking at a 1-1.2L petrol simple car which is just the "right" size.

Looks like the Honda deal fell through badly as well.
 
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I think they screwed up with the Micra as well. I think they ditched ICE power too soon and I don't think they have any ICE powered small cars now although I could be wrong. The new Micra was a nice looking car although reviews seem to state it was underpowered. If they wanted to jump ship to make a small EV they should have brought the "Sunny" back or something similar. There are too many people that don't want a EV whether it be through plain ignorance and listening to all the BS online or it just doesn't fit their usage for a company to ditch ICE in their small cars.
 
It's not just Honda/Nissan though. I'm sure all the manufacturer's will combine resources as much as they can.

I saw a Toyota Yaris the other day, but it was badged as a Mazda!
 
Honda deal is long dead, CEO got the chop and his replacement inherited Nissan's biggest recorded loss so certainly a challenging time.

There was talk of Foxconn after Honda talks collapse, but been quiet on that front since and there was recent announcement that they will build EV for Mitsubishi now (who are in turn partially owned by Nissan).

As far as any upcoming new products launches in UK go, regardless what happens with Renault's stake in the alliance, Nissan are pretty much tied to whatever platforms they have developed together.

Namely that's the Common Module Family (CMF), so Leaf will be on same platform as Ariya/Megane/Scenic etc.

Given the cost of developing a platform for a new car, Nissan aren't in a position to innovate their way out of this with exciting new products like Leaf and Quashqai back in the day any time soon.

Like most non native manufacturers they'll have to write off a lot of business in China as competing with government backed BYD is an uphill battle there. US government needs to make up its mind on tarrifs but that market probably also going to be challenge. Rest just going to have to come from good ol' fashioned job cuts and reducing production to make the balance sheet look mildly attractive to potential buyers.
 
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