How are contact frames not the norm for lga1700?

netarangi · 26 Jul 2022 at 00:25

Installed a thermal right frame yesterday on my 12700kf and temps dropped from thermal throttling 100 degrees to 85. Same bios per core OC.

Highly recommend getting one!

arknor · 26 Jul 2022 at 00:58

I didn't use one and my temp under full load is 67c or less depending on ambient.

netarangi · 26 Jul 2022 at 02:37

arknor said:
I didn't use one and my temp under full load is 67c or less depending on ambient.

Was that stock?

Tetras · 26 Jul 2022 at 02:41

What board and cooler are you using?

arknor · 26 Jul 2022 at 02:50

netarangi said:
Was that stock?

yea I get 63c after voltage mod but my chip can do -0.100 without clock stretching

Tomahawk and D15 (Convex cooler though and not flat like AIO will be)

FAQ: Why is the cooler’s contact surface slightly convex?

As the Integrated Heat Spreaders (IHS) of today’s CPUs are slightly concave, the cooler’s contact surface has been deliberately designed to be slightly convex in order to ensure optimal contact. This way, more contact pressure will be applied at the centre of the IHS directly above the DIE...

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netarangi · 26 Jul 2022 at 03:02

Tetras said:
What board and cooler are you using?

Current setup is..
X73 Kraken
Asus tuf gaming z690 d4
Corsair lpx vengeance 4000mhz (3800 cl14)

I did try reseat my cooler three times before I installed the bracket, just to ensure I didn't screw it up. Fairly confident it wasn't due to a bad mount.

The thermal paste was all over the show each time I took it off for remounting. Spotting in different areas and definitely wasn't getting good contact.

I've pushed clocks above where I was able to go on my old setup and I haven't thermal throttled yet. Previously setup would thermal throttle at 5ghz. Does seem to have made an improvement for me

Jay85 · 26 Jul 2022 at 15:12

12700k 5.1ghz all core overclock, ecore 4.1ghz watercooled with xspc raystorm Edge Neo with washer mod sits around 65c during gaming. I'd imagine it would be somewhat slightly better with the socket mod but not installed it yet.

ChloeLouCaine · 27 Jul 2022 at 01:13

Some people wont use one cause it voids the warrenty

netarangi · 27 Jul 2022 at 02:31

ChloeLouCaine said:
Some people wont use one cause it voids the warrenty

That's very true

clone · 27 Jul 2022 at 11:01

12600kf p core 5.1 other cores 4.0 idle around 23c gaming 45c odd with a artic freezer 2 420mm aio no need for a frame.

Tetras · 27 Jul 2022 at 18:19

ChloeLouCaine said:
Some people wont use one cause it voids the warrenty

Only if they know

would be silly to rma a motherboard with the frame attached

Kelt · 27 Jul 2022 at 23:08

Jay85 said:
12700k 5.1ghz all core overclock, ecore 4.1ghz watercooled with xspc raystorm Edge Neo with washer mod sits around 65c during gaming. I'd imagine it would be somewhat slightly better with the socket mod but not installed it yet.

What vcore are you running?

I'm using a Corsair 360 AIO with a 12700K at 5.1/4/4, vcore set to a permanent 1.24V and my gaming temps are around 40-50C.

65C would be way too high for me.

Jay85 · 28 Jul 2022 at 00:53

Kelt said:
What vcore are you running?

I'm using a Corsair 360 AIO with a 12700K at 5.1/4/4, vcore set to a permanent 1.24V and my gaming temps are around 40-50C.

65C would be way too high for me.

Oh im running way higher vcore purely cos i play star citizen and anything lower results in crashes. I'm running 1.28v vcore and 65c is pretty comfortable for me, i had similar temps before when i ran 1.24v for my overclock but it would crash on star citizen, everything else works fine though for some reason.

Bencher · 28 Jul 2022 at 08:21

Ι think it's mostly aios with flat contact that need a frame. My u12a keeps my 12900k at 76c peak in CBR23 stock with no contact frame. It can also do 5.7ghz in 2 cores and 5.2ghz in all core loads (although it climbs to the low 90s in this configuration).

Glanza · 29 Jul 2022 at 10:25

uscool · 30 Jul 2022 at 10:38

Bencher said:
Ι think it's mostly aios with flat contact that need a frame. My u12a keeps my 12900k at 76c peak in CBR23 stock with no contact frame. It can also do 5.7ghz in 2 cores and 5.2ghz in all core loads (although it climbs to the low 90s in this configuration).

The u12a isn't flat ? Or I missed what you meant ?

Bencher · 30 Jul 2022 at 12:50

uscool said:
The u12a isn't flat ? Or I missed what you meant ?

No all noctua coolers afaik are convex.

doyll · 31 Jul 2022 at 16:53

netarangi said:
Installed a thermal right frame yesterday on my 12700kf and temps dropped from thermal throttling 100 degrees to 85. Same bios per core OC.

Highly recommend getting one!

I assume you mean Thermalright?
Probably the Thermalright LGA1700-BCF CPU Bending Corrector Frame?

Indeed, I know using one supposedly void the warranty, but does installing it change anything that can't be undone so motherboard is as originally purchased? Is there a tamper-proof seal on back side of socket that is broken by removing stock socket mount and installing LGA1700-BCF?

doyll · 31 Jul 2022 at 17:21

Bencher said:
No all noctua coolers afaik are convex.

According to TweakTown review:

The base of the NH-U12S is milled and left with arched grooves across the entire surface. This base is very true in flatness when a razor is placed on it with little to no deformation near the edges.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5417/noctua-nh-u12s-cpu-cooler-review/index.html

Noctua NH-U12S CPU Cooler Review

Noctua delivers the NH-U12S for testing - one of a pair of new tower coolers with some new tricks up their sleeves.

www.tweaktown.com

While socket is 35.5×45.0mm the CPU size and placement fits under most cooler bases.

throwaway4372 · 31 Jul 2022 at 17:23

IMO this is an unacceptable defect, all these chips should be refunded.