How does money work?

Reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons :D

Homer: Awww... 20 dollars!? I wanted a peanut.
Homer's brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain
Homer's brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
 
One thing I learned recently is the creation of credit. An amazing magic trick to double your money...

Imagine you were the only bank in the world. John deposits £100,000 with you.

You now have £100,000 and John has £100,000.

You lend Jill £100,000 to buy a house from Jane.

Jane deposits the £100,000 with you.

John has £100,000, Jane has £100,000 and you hold £200,000.

and that's magic!


Banks can only create money by making loans that result in additional deposits. Fact.
 
Nelson said:
One thing I learned recently is the creation of credit. An amazing magic trick to double your money...

Imagine you were the only bank in the world. John deposits £100,000 with you.

You now have £100,000 and John has £100,000.

You lend Jill £100,000 to buy a house from Jane.

Jane deposits the £100,000 with you.

John has £100,000, Jane has £100,000 and you hold £200,000.

and that's magic!


Banks can only create money by making loans that result in additional deposits. Fact.

Yes but if they both come in and take their money out the bank is left with zero. Ahhh but its OWED 100k by Jill now!

A bank also functions on the condition that all the people who have deposits wont all ask for it back at the same time.
 
G-MAN2004 said:
I don't understand though why you can't just print more :confused:

But why?

Think about this logically for a second, if something is commonplace it has less value, principally because it is no longer such a valuable commodity so it is to an extent an extension of supply and demand - for instance oil is more valuable when there is less of it and it is the same for pretty much any commodity that I can think of, money being no different. If the government/Royal Mint prints out an extra million £20 notes then each existing note(and in fact all UK money in whatever form) is automatically devalued because there are now so many more notes in circulation. :)

I should also say this is a horrible simplification because there are a great number of factors influencing the value of a currency.
 
I'm just waiting for the time a large proportion of people holding US dollars ask for their gold. Cue US bankruptcy (and most probably a world recession). :p


It seems the US has printed more than twice its worth in bills (as shown by their national debt which is huge) so george bush can spend so much on the things he wants. :(
 
Amp34 said:
I'm just waiting for the time a large proportion of people holding US dollars ask for their gold. Cue US bankruptcy (and most probably a world recession). :p


It seems the US has printed more than twice its worth in bills (as shown by their national debt which is huge) so george bush can spend so much on the things he wants. :(

yep, one day the US will push china too far and they'll turn round and try and spend their $1 trillion hoard and collapse the US economy. It was Voltaire who said "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value ---- zero" and you only have to look at every example of fiat money in history to find they all go down the toilet in the end as a result of banks/governments unlimited capacity to print money.

Gold and silver are the way forward IMHO, especially if you believe in peak oil as there'll be no end of money chasing dwindling natural resources within our lifetime
 
Gold and silver are the way forward IMHO

why

surely gold and silver are just like notes. theyre only worth something because someone has decided so ?

i dont see how gold can be so valueable when it doesnt exactly have many needy uses

forgive me if i make no sense because i really dont get the whole currency thing its crazy


:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

my brain hurts
 
surely gold and silver are just like notes. theyre only worth something because someone has decided so ?

Just think of why are the Ferarri cars expensive.

i dont see how gold can be so valueable when it doesnt exactly have many needy uses

Its a material for a luxury good(jewellery)! It doesnt need to be needed for one's survival in order to be expensive.

I'm just waiting for the time a large proportion of people holding US dollars ask for their gold. Cue US bankruptcy (and most probably a world recession).

Dont count on it! The gold standart is gone and the nowadays notes are simply tied to level of GDP(the amount of goods that the economy produces). Having said that, a country can allow itself to print more money given that this is in tact with the rate of change of the GDP.

Go read up about hyper inflation in Germany during the second world war, then you'll learn why printing more money is a bad idea

I had the "pleasure" to be in a country with hyperinflation at the time which, despite not from the very very worst ones, was still quite funky with prices being different from one day to the other. Not fun for most people! This is much more than a mere financial crisis as it even changes people's mentality.

Also inflation. Each year we get a pay rise, prices go up etc but where does the extra come from?

There is lots of theory surrounding this but I will try to explain quick and simple. I hope you are familiar with what "demand" and "supply" mean(you gotta be). Well, inflation can occur because of either or both of them. If people have more money but the number of goods/services available stays the same, prices will rise(thats your demand inflation). The supply inflation is sort of the opposite, if the goods offered on the market are, all of a sudden, fewer than before, but population level is the same, that makes each good dearer.

Realisticaly speaking though, most inflations occuring tend to be related much more to excessive printing of money(to cover public debt), rather than the low supply of some raw material. This is the main reason why there were lobbies towards the removal of debt of many developing countries, as their inability to pay leads them to printing money and experiencing inflation levels that bring them to crisis, which itself bring them back to square one of needing to borrow.

Sorry that Im not quoting in order!
 
Actually, printing more money can lead to an increase in GDP, since more money in circulation causes the interest rate to drop, causing investment to increase and so increase GDP. OBviously, this has to be balanced against the amount of inflation which is going to be caused.

Also, banks actually only have to hold 10% of any money deposited into them at the BofE as reserves, the rest they lend out. Quite a scary thought actually :eek:
 
Actually, printing more money can lead to an increase in GDP, since more money in circulation causes the interest rate to drop, causing investment to increase and so increase GDP. OBviously, this has to be balanced against the amount of inflation which is going to be caused.

I like your trail of thought but you gotta revise the bit with more money in circulation dropping the interest rate. Maybe in certain cases it does but normally its the opposite effect. If the money in the UK are way too much, the BoE would want to actually cool things down and they do so by actually raising the interest rate.

Interesting case scenario to look at is Japan! Up to recently, their interest rate was nearly zero and, yet, they had deflation since the beginning of the 90s so they actually encouraged themselves to print money in order to stimulate inflation. :D

Also, banks actually only have to hold 10% of any money deposited into them at the BofE as reserves, the rest they lend out. Quite a scary thought actually

I think the % varies between banks.
 
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