Not really, I'm a Chemical Engineer (by research) but I spend all my time coding Fluid Dynamics simulation software and doing numerical analysis of reactors! Sometimes I wish I did more test-tube, blowing-up-the-lab work
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Not really, I'm a Chemical Engineer (by research) but I spend all my time coding Fluid Dynamics simulation software and doing numerical analysis of reactors! Sometimes I wish I did more test-tube, blowing-up-the-lab work
Not really, I'm a Chemical Engineer (by research) but I spend all my time coding Fluid Dynamics simulation software and doing numerical analysis of reactors! Sometimes I wish I did more test-tube, blowing-up-the-lab work
This is exactly what I'm getting at.
So your a chemical scientist/'engineer' who spends most of his time burried in coding?
A chemical and software engineer? I hope you get two wages every month!
I am in no way trying to deride your level of education and work or levels experience, or you're title, but merely the ambiguity around the title 'engineer'.
I trained in software development initially, and while I did and can design systems, I wouldn't class myself as an 'engineer' like a marine or civil engineer etc
I think we need to grade the term engineer
This is exactly what I'm getting at.
So your a chemical scientist/'engineer' who spends most of his time burried in coding?
A chemical and software engineer? I hope you get two wages every month!
I am in no way trying to deride your level of education and work or levels experience, or you're title, but merely the ambiguity around the title 'engineer'.
I trained in software development initially, and while I did and can design systems, I wouldn't class myself as an 'engineer' like a marine or civil engineer etc
I think we need to grade the term engineer
Well, I wouldn't call myself a Software Engineer by any stretch of the imagination. I would expect any Chemical/Mechanical/Aero . . . engineer involved in modelling to have rudimentary knowledge of programming. I would say that the reason that I fall under Chemical Engineering is not just my background, but because I use computational tools to design, model and optimise chemical reactors - this can save millions of pounds for the interested parties. I work mainly with reactors used in the oil industry, which are notoriously difficult to accurately model.
The coding always needs to be done - translating the mathematics of fluid mechanics and inter-phase forces into the coding for numerical computations. Incidentally my title is merely a Research Assistant - I'm classified as a Chemical Engineer by IChemE!
well yeah the Wirral is but the others aren't and to be fair that's as far east as we ever go. The are a massive amount of high tech companies in north Wales, the reason Pilks set up here to do their space research was because (at the time) studies showed this area had the cleanest air in Britain and a lot of high tech companies came here, also you have university's, country archives, etc.
We have more than enough work like I said the isn't enough people to do it round here, and tbh I don't want to move to a metropolitan area either.
I suppose if I offered people 10 times the normal wage they would think it was worth moving here but it would probably bankrupt me >.> like the poster above said his father doesn't want to move and most people don't. There are not enough qualified A/C engineers in north Wales to do all the A/C work in north Wales, its that simple. And as far as bringing in people from the EU in all honesty I love the UK but why would anybody from Germany, France, etc want to come here? the only people wanting in are the ex-USSR guys and what are the odds of finding qualified ones?
Like I said it was literally a miracle we found a Filipino working in Saudi who had UK qualifications because the British companies who owned the sites his company worked on required it. If I brought in a Polish person then even if they knew the job I would have to pay for them to do courses to attain the relevant qualifications. And I don't care if this makes me Eurosceptical or whatever but in all honesty I don't see any difference between bringing in somebody from inside the EU or outside, they both come from outside the UK and then once here contribute to our society by paying tax, buying goods in our shops, etc.
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Hey Castiel, are you peeved that you couldn't reply to my answer in the mulsim thread that got locked? 
It always makes me rage when someone slanders me then the thread gets locked.
It always makes me rage when someone slanders me then the thread gets locked
.Hey Castiel, are you peeved that you couldn't reply to my answer in the mulsim thread that got locked?
It always makes me rage when someone slanders me then the thread gets locked
I was in the process of replying. I never slandered you however. You attempted to call me some sort of panderer to New Labour
, but that's all. I'll PM you the C&P reply for your amusement.And yes it is annoying.
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Bingo!
You wonder why you can't get the poeple you need local, not everyone wants to run of to the city. Pay a fair wage and invest in your future and you would not have these problems, stop being so short sighted.
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its iffy ground. We had a lad that did his degree, masters and worked for the bank for 3 years and he's recently been told he can't stay here any more and has left.
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Train up a brit there are around 300,000 looking for a job I'm sure one is more than capable.
Train up a brit there are around 300,000 looking for a job I'm sure one is more than capable.
Considering the cost involved and the fact it would take about half a decade for them to reach the required level of experience it really isn't a viable option, we need engineers not apprentices. I wouldn't be against an apprentice if we had enough engineers in the first place but we don't and its a sad fact that apprentices slow engineers down.
Therein lies the problem. If businesses were more geared to training and ongoing development then you would have apprentices coming through each year.
It's not your fault, but the erosion of the apprenticeship system and vocational training in favour of academic degrees has along with cheap imported labour created the issue you and others like you have.
The other view is that this is a prime example of a genuine case of labour/skilled shortage. For which many do not appreciate the difficulty in recruiting. If you make it too difficult to recruit these people, this business may eventually go bust, taking with it many other UK jobs.
Fair enough, try and reduce reliance on immigrants, but to train up such skills takes decades, and isnt entirely upto businesses to sort out. A factor may be the financial inability to train/educate any apprentices.
The "native" workforce needs to acquire these skills and stop pretending that protectionist measures will insulate them. Many of the same arguments here can be used in the opposite way, where developing countries begrudge the subsidies the EU gives their farmers, which makes "native" producers unable to compete. The developed countries then cry "free trade" and "no protectionism" etc etc.....
2 sides, same coin.