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How good will AMD Deneb be against Core 2 for games?

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I ask this because the i7 seems a tiny boost for games over core 2, so if AMD has a cheaper but more powerful cpu than intel and is as fast as a highly clocked c2d in games i think they will have a winner.
 
so if AMD has a cheaper but more powerful cpu than intel and is as fast as a highly clocked c2d in games

these are the problems with that statement, right there.

Firstly thats a HUGE if at the start of that statement.

Secondly if they produced something more powerful it would never be cheaper.
AMD have a lot of catching to do and undercharging for a product that would sell itself would be stupid.

chances of everything in that statement ever being true = 0.
 
Seeing as i7 is 20% or so faster clock for clock than current 45nm Core 2 chips....I can hardly see AMD being competitive as last I checked Deneb was not much faster than Core2, if at all.
 
s1ick said:
so if AMD has a cheaper but more powerful cpu than intel and is as fast as a highly clocked c2d in games

these are the problems with that statement, right there.

Firstly thats a HUGE if at the start of that statement.

Secondly if they produced something more powerful it would never be cheaper.
AMD have a lot of catching to do and undercharging for a product that would sell itself would be stupid.

chances of everything in that statement ever being true = 0.
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Like how the 4870 was faster & cheaper than the 260 at launch ;)..so it is possible.


I don't think the Deneb has much of a chance against the i7 & i don't care now seeing has how much the i7 set-up would cost me.
 
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Current 65nm Phenom's are already competitive with simmler clocked core 2's but they cannot reach high enough clocks to compete with intel's high end. That also shows in the overclocks of them being lower then intel too.

The new Deneb is going to be 45nm, so will take less power to run faster, and will have more room for cache on the chip itself. This will mean better clock rates, and an overall speed boost. It should easy compete with the current core 2's, and if price is right eat away at intels market share. People seem to be crying out for good AMD chips to upgrade to, so unless the chip is a techno flop it looks good for AMD.
 
gurusan said:
Seeing as i7 is 20% or so faster clock for clock than current 45nm Core 2 chips....I can hardly see AMD being competitive as last I checked Deneb was not much faster than Core2, if at all.
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that is the question faster in what games applications ? weres the source ? the one think amd said that it will be good overcloker thats it
 
EvilOne said:
Current 65nm Phenom's are already competitive with simmler clocked core 2's but they cannot reach high enough clocks to compete with intel's high end. That also shows in the overclocks of them being lower then intel too.

The new Deneb is going to be 45nm, so will take less power to run faster, and will have more room for cache on the chip itself. This will mean better clock rates, and an overall speed boost. It should easy compete with the current core 2's, and if price is right eat away at intels market share. People seem to be crying out for good AMD chips to upgrade to, so unless the chip is a techno flop it looks good for AMD.
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Quoted for the truth. ;)
 
i7 is good for gaming, only when combined with a huge SLI/Crossfire configeration, as even top end core 2 quads cant keep up with them.

For the vast majority of gamers, this wont be the case. How many people you know run 3x280 SLI, or 2 2X in crossfireX ?
 
EvilOne said:
i7 is good for gaming, only when combined with a huge SLI/Crossfire configeration, as even top end core 2 quads cant keep up with them.

For the vast majority of gamers, this wont be the case. How many people you know run 3x280 SLI, or 2 2X in crossfireX ?
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People with more money than sense :D
 
Until deneb is released and we can see reviews for it it is really still an unknown quantity as amd seem to be quite quiet on the subject. That doesn't automatically mean it isn't any good as they did the same with the 4xxx series gfx cards and we all know how that worked out.

Pricing will be key for amd because of how exspensive i7 is so if they can get close to the performance but be a lot cheaper then they will have something worth considering. As always with hardware time will tell and we will just have to wait and see how it turns out for our sake i hope it is competitive because if it isn't then we will be paying higher prices for longer then we should so from that perspective we should all be hoping for a good product from amd.
 
If anything I think the deneb will only just catch up with Core2duo performance.... against the core i7 I doubt it but hope am wrong.

If a Corei7 920 cost under 300 quid and is able to almost catch up in gaming performance too an QX9770 which cost 1k, not to mention totaly overtake it in Software/app performance then deneb has more then a mission... its an impossible mission.

AMD 1st need to bring forward a chip thats clock for clock and price for price better then the Core2 Quad.
 
EvilOne said:
i7 is good for gaming, only when combined with a huge SLI/Crossfire configeration, as even top end core 2 quads cant keep up with them.

For the vast majority of gamers, this wont be the case. How many people you know run 3x280 SLI, or 2 2X in crossfireX ?
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This is a good point, to the majority of this forum, i7 won't be beneficial for gaming ie cost versus increased performance.
 
AMD don't need the top end to do well, they need price vs performance. The Nvidia GTX280 is the fastest single cards but everyone's with ATI/AMD purely for how awesome they are for the cost.
 
why arent phenoms 65nm good for gaming? i have a 9850BE stock and it plays anything i throw at it , almost the same performance with a C2D/Q which i also own. Theres no difference between the two setups (at stock).

I agree that overclocked the C2d will reach higher speeds but not everyone does it and i doubt if its worth the hassle in real life apps + games
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
why arent phenoms 65nm good for gaming? i have a 9850BE stock and it plays anything i throw at it , almost the same performance with a C2D/Q which i also own. Theres no difference between the two setups (at stock).

I agree that overclocked the C2d will reach higher speeds but not everyone does it and i doubt if its worth the hassle in real life apps + games
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i agree..

i've got a 9850 too with a DFI Lan Party DK 790FXB-M2RSH now. now i can clock my 9850 much higher with less volts than with my old MSI K9A2 Platinum motherboard...

phenom vs c2q isn't that much of a different in performance really. i think people just like to find fault that isn't really there..
 
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