How is zen effecting high resolutions?

FloppyPoppy · 1 Apr 2017 at 08:21

Hey there everyone i hope your all well!

I have always been under the impression that as you raise resolution you push your systems "bottleneck" further and further onto the gpu.

I currently run a 6700k @4.7ghz with a GTX 1080 and 16gb of ram. I intend to expand the ram to 32gb as im often seeing myself sat at 14+gb when running certain games and believe a little bit of my stuttering/frame drops may be coming from this. I also intend on getting a 1080ti simply for the added vram, as in the likes of star citizen @ 3440x1440 i am capping out the 8gb vram on the 1080.

I am curious however in regards to Zen and if it would be worth considering. As far as my knowledge goes it shouldn't be a worthwhile upgrade however if im wrong i can certainly consider the jump.

TLDR: Would i see any tangible gain from moving to Zen at 3440x1440 over a 6700k @4.7 or will it just be a side grade?

Any input/suggestions welcome.

StarShock · 1 Apr 2017 at 08:32

Most likely be a side grade at best in most cases. There are a handful of games that respond well to extra cores, but they are few and far between at the moment, so the higher clocks and IPC of the 6700k will serve you better in most cases.

That being said in a couple years if people start making good use of DX12 and more cores it might be a worthwhile upgrade.

FloppyPoppy · 1 Apr 2017 at 08:51

^ Thats pretty much what i was thinking, though in a few years there will be newer and better cpus out by then. Cheers for your input

SiDeards73 · 1 Apr 2017 at 09:21

One thing to bear in mind also is Star Citizen if it's your main game is getting Vulkan support, it's no secret that it favours AMD hardware.

Id sit on what you have right now tbh, I'd not buy a 1080ti until AMD show their Vega cards, then see which is the better option.

If your more interested in the right here right now just trade in your 6700k for a 5ghz 7700k, and trade your 1080 for a 1080ti

If your happy to wait a little hold off til Vega reviews land make a decision then.

=XDC=FluphyBunny · 1 Apr 2017 at 09:47

Ryzen gives better minimums and in theory smoother game play with games that use all its cores correctly*. I honestly wouldn't move from a 6700k @ 4.7Ghz unless you are also looking at doing some rendering or some such outside of gaming. Maybe zen2 (?) next year would be worth considering, by which time we see how well games have developed.

*smoother gameplay is a term that gets thrown about frequently on these forums. 144Hz screen was 'omg so smooth', gsync/freesync was 'omg so smooth', Ryzen was 'omg so smooth'. You really have to wonder just how smooth is smooth.

FloppyPoppy · 1 Apr 2017 at 10:12

I do render videos quite regularly ( once or twice a week ) however i only do this whilst i am not playing a game ( and yes SC is my main game i can't get enough of it )

I am definitely going to upgrade my ram shortly. The more it bugs me the sooner i will buy. When ( roughly ) is vega anticipated to be revealed? i do think im going to be needing a good chunk of vram for this game though thats why i was considering the TI.

I am definitely going to wait out and try to find someone running some benchmarks that will fit into my scenario.

Drollic · 1 Apr 2017 at 10:13

=XDC=FluphyBunny said:
Ryzen gives better minimums and in theory smoother game play with games that use all its cores correctly*. I honestly wouldn't move from a 6700k @ 4.7Ghz unless you are also looking at doing some rendering or some such outside of gaming. Maybe zen2 (?) next year would be worth considering, by which time we see how well games have developed.

*smoother gameplay is a term that gets thrown about frequently on these forums. 144Hz screen was 'omg so smooth', gsync/freesync was 'omg so smooth', Ryzen was 'omg so smooth'. You really have to wonder just how smooth is smooth.

144hz, high frame rate and gsync really is smooth though

FloppyPoppy · 1 Apr 2017 at 10:18

Drollic said:
144hz, high frame rate and gsync really is smooth though

I have to agree.. Gsync 100hz.... lush.

SiDeards73 · 1 Apr 2017 at 10:31

harry5522 said:
I do render videos quite regularly ( once or twice a week ) however i only do this whilst i am not playing a game ( and yes SC is my main game i can't get enough of it )

I am definitely going to upgrade my ram shortly. The more it bugs me the sooner i will buy. When ( roughly ) is vega anticipated to be revealed? i do think im going to be needing a good chunk of vram for this game though thats why i was considering the TI.

I am definitely going to wait out and try to find someone running some benchmarks that will fit into my scenario.

One distinct advantage RyZen does have tho is you can render and at at the same time!

Techen · 1 Apr 2017 at 11:03

4k user here on a ryzen 7 and 1080ti. Bf1 will run at 60fps ultra with 16xAA with no delayed input or lag, no tearing or anything. Silky smooth 4k, same with r6 siege. Dont think it really matters what cpu you use at 4k as it will bottleneck the gpu :>

gavinh87 · 1 Apr 2017 at 11:55

SiDeards73 said:
One thing to bear in mind also is Star Citizen if it's your main game is getting Vulkan support, it's no secret that it favours AMD hardware.

Id sit on what you have right now tbh, I'd not buy a 1080ti until AMD show their Vega cards, then see which is the better option.

If your more interested in the right here right now just trade in your 6700k for a 5ghz 7700k, and trade your 1080 for a 1080ti

If your happy to wait a little hold off til Vega reviews land make a decision then.

Awful advice, trade in a 6700k for a 7700k for what? 300mhz?

Jamin280672 · 1 Apr 2017 at 12:04

Also AMD side of the fence, its all over YouTube, the poor gaming performance is disappearing already, infact 28% performance increase with patches in some games, and they're just getting started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNt40ZNj6R4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tfTZjugDeg

SiDeards73 · 1 Apr 2017 at 12:54

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gavinh87 said:
Awful advice, trade in a 6700k for a 7700k for what? 300mhz?

But that's what all the cool kids are saying no? They say 7700k is the defacto best CPU bar none for gaming and it can OC easily to 5Ghz!!!

My post was tongue in cheek, much like this one.

Everyone seems to think for the here and now and the future you need a 7700k, personally i wouldn't touch any current Intel CPU as you are wasting your money on the current line up when RyZen will match them in most tasks, is close in gaming and beats it massively on price to performance.

But you will still find many people recommending i7 and even i5 on these forums in this day and age.

Again personally as someone who upgrades every 3-5 years I'm going for a 8/16 on a platform i know is going to still be relevant in 3-5 years, swap out CPU for instant upgrade and carry on

gavinh87 · 1 Apr 2017 at 13:17

SiDeards73 said:
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But that's what all the cool kids are saying no? They say 7700k is the defacto best CPU bar none for gaming and it can OC easily to 5Ghz!!!

My post was tongue in cheek, much like this one.

Everyone seems to think for the here and now and the future you need a 7700k, personally i wouldn't touch any current Intel CPU as you are wasting your money on the current line up when RyZen will match them in most tasks, is close in gaming and beats it massively on price to performance.

But you will still find many people recommending i7 and even i5 on these forums in this day and age.

Again personally as someone who upgrades every 3-5 years I'm going for a 8/16 on a platform i know is going to still be relevant in 3-5 years, swap out CPU for instant upgrade and carry on

This is better advice!
Same with me, slap some fast ram in and it's as good in gaming as the i7 and destroys it everywhere else. How long will the 4 core i7 be relevant for? The future is 6/8 core for gaming

Jamin280672 · 1 Apr 2017 at 16:34

gavinh87 said:
This is better advice!
Same with me, slap some fast ram in and it's as good in gaming as the i7 and destroys it everywhere else. How long will the 4 core i7 be relevant for? The future is 6/8 core for gaming

+1

Fact of the matter is Kaby Lake (should have been sky lake refresh), which lets face is is no better than sky lake to the everyday user will be out of date in a couple of months when they bring out canon lake.

Now canon lake I believe was meant to 10nm, but intel are having to many problems getting it right, so its going to be another 14nm CPU, do you think there will be any noticeable performance upgrades over kaby lake, and knowing intel, it may even require and new motherboard, if they decide to change the socket again

But so far in this story, you've found out that they are working on 10nm at the same time, so now that brings us to the end of the year, beginning of next year, when you'll see coffee lake, and all of the above 3 CPU's will be out of date as the new ones will be 10nm and defo require a new board and even new RAM with DDR5 on the horizon.

Sorry to Intel fan boys if I got coffee lake and canon lake the wrong way around.

So lets look at what SiDeards73 said, RyZen, AMD already stated they are going to support the AM4 socket for at least 4 years, so a new CPU comes out in 2 years time, flash the bios, pop the old one out, stick the new one in and you're good to go.

humbug · 1 Apr 2017 at 16:46

To answer your question harry5522, will not gain nor lose in gaming moving from at 6700K to a Ryzen at high res. for everything out side of gaming you will gain, sometimes a lot.

In the future, Star Citizen would only gain from 16 threads vs 8.

More broadly.....

gavinh87 said:
This is better advice!
Same with me, slap some fast ram in and it's as good in gaming as the i7 and destroys it everywhere else. How long will the 4 core i7 be relevant for? The future is 6/8 core for gaming

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ stop wasting £350 on a dead end format, the future is more not less.

nkuk · 2 Apr 2017 at 01:00

humbug said:
To answer your question harry5522, will not gain nor lose in gaming moving from at 6700K to a Ryzen at high res. for everything out side of gaming you will gain, sometimes a lot.

In the future, Star Citizen would only gain from 16 threads vs 8.

More broadly.....

This ^^^^^^^^^^^ stop wasting £350 on a dead end format, the future is more not less.

I think it would be interesting to see some Star Citizen and Vulkan benchmarks with Ryzen, I haven't been able to find any.

humbug · 2 Apr 2017 at 01:16

nkuk said:
I think it would be interesting to see some Star Citizen and Vulkan benchmarks with Ryzen, I haven't been able to find any.

Right now performance is extremely dependant on what the server is doing from one moment to the next, performance benching Star Citizen right now is pointless, there is no difference between someone with a GTX 970 with a 3570K and someone with a 6950K + 1080TI, its all the same server bound performance.

Eventually when the netcode is right, then it will matter, and how many threads your CPU has will matter.

nkuk · 2 Apr 2017 at 01:40

humbug said:
Right now performance is extremely dependant on what the server is doing from one moment to the next, performance benching Star Citizen right now is pointless, there is no difference between someone with a GTX 970 with a 3570K and someone with a 6950K + 1080TI, its all the same server bound performance.

Eventually when the netcode is right, then it will matter, and how many threads your CPU has will matter.

Ah, thanks, I didn't realise the performance was server bound at the moment.

opethdisciple · 2 Apr 2017 at 04:11

As your already on a 6700k @ 4.7Ghz which is as blazing fast as anything out there at the moment and the fact we are still in reality the DX11 era I'd stay out for the time being.

Untill Nvidia launch their next GPU's and I mean the real successors to Pascal not the rumoured refresh I still think the likes of DX12 will be slow to penetrate in to the gaming ecosystem.

Ryzen isn't going anywhere, it'll still be available to buy if something drastic changes. If you where in an i5 or something less than a 3770k then I'd say upgrade but you've pretty much got the 2nd fastest chip at gaming already so nothing really to upgrade too at the moment.

Ryzen needs maturity and time. It's been a month only.