How many bands play in Eb ?

Naffa · 26 Feb 2007 at 00:06

banja said:
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That's weird, I think I may have noticed it before but put it down to my ears. :confused:

Wouldn't have complained about it though. 12 minutes from a 3 hour film isn't much..

mattpj · 26 Feb 2007 at 06:11

Staple of the 80's tuning to Eb and if they were really mad they would stretch the tape so It was just inbetween Eb and D, to make it sound "heavier"

I wondered these things earlier on when i played guitar but having/gaining perfect pitch really helped out

Tax Evader · 26 Feb 2007 at 07:14

dmpoole said:
I believe its a trick used on a lot of TV programs too.
They push the speed up but bring the pitch to the correct level.

I noticed that when the BBC showed the 2005 Cream renunion - it was almost a semitone higher than it should be.

Never experienced it with a DVD recording though.

Chronos-X · 26 Feb 2007 at 10:22

The Beatles played in Eb on the Ed Sullivan show so they could really push their voices - and Yesterday was recorded with the guitar tuned a full step down on every string. Metal \m/ !

riddlermarc · 26 Feb 2007 at 13:20

I play in Eb, it sounds better and feels better

The only downside is that you can't just grab your guitar and start playing along to standard E-tuned tracks.. of course, that is what spare guitars are for

I heard that Metallica recorded For Whom The Bell Tolls tuned slightly higher than standard E so they would be in tune with the opening bell.. why they didn't just change the bell's pitch when mixing etc I don't know!

banja · 26 Feb 2007 at 14:49

Tax Evader said:
I noticed that when the BBC showed the 2005 Cream renunion - it was almost a semitone higher than it should be.

Never experienced it with a DVD recording though.

Not thought about this, but maybe music specific DVD's are corrected for speed and pitch. Oh then again, it's only an issue if it's originated on film, at 24fps. Most broadcast quality cameras run at 25fps anyway. And I imagine the newest digital cameras used to replace film have a variable speed anyway.

Docaroo · 26 Feb 2007 at 18:22

loads of metal (power metal specifically) bands play in Eb, including my band

Tax Evader · 26 Feb 2007 at 18:41

banja said:
Not thought about this, but maybe music specific DVD's are corrected for speed and pitch. Oh then again, it's only an issue if it's originated on film, at 24fps. Most broadcast quality cameras run at 25fps anyway. And I imagine the newest digital cameras used to replace film have a variable speed anyway.

I reckon the Beeb just sped it up to fit in within the broadcast time-slot

elroberto · 26 Feb 2007 at 18:47

Tax Evader said:
I reckon the Beeb just sped it up to fit in within the broadcast time-slot

That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. They compress the hell out of both picture and audio anyway, so what's one more bit of mangling.

SexyGreyFox · 26 Feb 2007 at 19:56

Tax Evader said:
I reckon the Beeb just sped it up to fit in within the broadcast time-slot

I did see an article on this where the TV companies can expand or decrease the time by quite a bit without most of the public being aware.
A good example is when a news headline goes over a few minutes but the next program still fits in the same time slot.

SidewinderINC · 26 Feb 2007 at 20:08

riddlermarc said:
I play in Eb, it sounds better and feels better The only downside is that you can't just grab your guitar and start playing along to standard E-tuned tracks.. of course, that is what spare guitars are for

Drop D, Eb, E (w floyd so cant use it for drop D)

i never thought having more guitars would make it this much easier lol.

phykell · 27 Feb 2007 at 00:45

Makes it easier to play with a sax as well. Go lower still, to DGCFAD and that's Sabbath tuning, also used by Killing Joke as it happens.

alexthecheese · 27 Feb 2007 at 13:35

I'm surprised that - from what I can make out at least - a man of your experience didn't know playing in Eb was fairly common!

GNR obviously did as has been mentioned, but didn't SRV play a lot of his stuff in Eb?

I hear people arguing that you get better harmonics out of playing in Eb, but all I've ever noticed is that I can get much better/wider vibrato on bends in Eb.

Tax Evader · 27 Feb 2007 at 17:05

alexthecheese said:
but didn't SRV play a lot of his stuff in Eb?

Yes he played with his guitar tuned down half a step from standard tuning (rather than saying "in Eb" because the key obviously changes from song to song).