How Many Downlights?

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The next question in my bathroom lighting saga! How many down lights should I fit? The room is 3.4m x 2.2m with a 2.6m high ceiling. There will also be a central ceiling light but this is separately switched and our plan is to use that when someone want a calmer light for a relaxing bath and the down lighters to brighten things up for shaving, showering etc. I can't decide between 8 and 10 and the minute essentially in two strips down either side of the room and I'm also struggling to decide if they should be evenly spaced or targeted at specific areas. I know the targeted areas will work better but I worry the random chrome circles on the ceiling will look annoying if not lined up properly!

Any help as always appreciated!
 
Way overkill...

I have a bathroom which is slightly bigger and I went with 4 downlights like on a dice configuration.

If you want more - how about going for 5? Then have the middle light on a separate switch.
 
I have 4 in a much smaller shower room and it seems quite dim with 4 5w LED's I'm looking to put 7.5w bulbs in!
 
You cant have too many (within reason) Just put them on a dimmer. I have 4 just in my shower. which is 2mx1m
That's kind of the direction I'm leaning I can always put lower wattage bulbs in or dim as you suggest adding more lights would be a massive pain.
 
Its amazing what you can get used too. We had a workshop with 4 engineers and for years we had 3 strip lights. Then one engineer commented that he could do with a little more light. ( The advent of surface mounts chips) so we installed another 3 strip lights onto another circuit leaving the original ones alone.

After a few days someone flicked the new circuit off and it felt like we were in darkness.....We couldn't believe we had been working in that light for years
 
If you want to calculate it properly you can download Relux (free) which lets you CAD out your room, import all your lights (it has a massive database of most lights available) and do all the calculations and 3D simulations :).

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0 - for shaving/make up etc you want to have a diffused wall mounted light, direct over head lights are not good for task lighting

there are much better lighting options around than putting in hundreds of gu10's these days
 
0 - for shaving/make up etc you want to have a diffused wall mounted light, direct over head lights are not good for task lighting

there are much better lighting options around than putting in hundreds of gu10's these days

I've never been a fan of wall lights/shaving lights over mirrors I always find myself turning them off, previously this room had a single central fitting with 4 wide angle GU10's in it which we found adequate but with a new bathroom we want more than that! We may still go with a mirror with some built in LED's as these give you both options without adding the clutter of wall lights.

I've previously used these fittings and was reasonably happy with them can anyone recommend anything else that they have used in a similar setting?

https://www.ledhut.co.uk/ip54-rated-bathroom-downlight-with-5-watt-gu10-included.html
 
Our bathroom is 3m by 3m and we have 9 GU10 LED downlighters in a 3x3 array. No idea of the wattage/output i'm afraid.

These pics aren't a great indicator as they are in daylight and from the estate agent who has gone on the offensive with the HDR, but i'd say that the room is nice and bright when they are on - never felt that they were too bright.

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Our bathroom is 3m by 3m and we have 9 GU10 LED downlighters in a 3x3 array. No idea of the wattage/output i'm afraid.

These pics aren't a great indicator as they are in daylight and from the estate agent who has gone on the offensive with the HDR, but i'd say that the room is nice and bright when they are on - never felt that they were too bright.

Got to love an estate agent with a new toy, some of the photography they use is bloody awful, Think I'm going to go with the less is more approach and put lower output bulbs or a dimmer in if it's too bright!
 
It might be 8-10 if you buy crap lights.

Get some EcoLed Zep 1 then you'll need say 4. They are about 700+lm, fire rated and IP67. Integral fittings and 50k be rated. Spiffing lights and about £30 each.

Also ensure you get a nice 3000k warm white. You don't want bright white light giving that 'morgue' feeling.

Less is more, have one directly above the sink/mirror. You don't need one above the toilet either. Post a sketch and I can point out some thoughts.

Also consider a backlit mirror as that'll offer a nice dim light for when you're needing a pee in the night and don't want to blind yourself.
 
Sorry to hijack the thread a bit, but my extension is 4.2m x 3.9m and the electrician automatically put 6 cables in the ceiling for the downlights. When I requested 8 he looked at me weirdly and mentioned I may want to put a dimmer switch in if I were to have 8.

Looking at this thread i'm thinking I may go for 12....
 
..he suggesested a dimmer because he considered you would have too much light with 8
(but if you use dimmable, I do not know whether quality/colour of light remains good as you dim them)


Also consider a backlit mirror as that'll offer a nice dim light for when you're needing a pee in the night and don't want to blind yourself.

Do you have a recommendation ? is that a combined bright shaving light and backlit ?
 


Quick sketch (not to scale lol) the shower cubicle is 900x1400 to give a sense of scale!

These are my current thoughts on lighting, spots in two lines each side with central light fiting

 
If you do that make sure you can switch the bath ones off. Or you'll be lying in the bath thinking your being interrogated

Spots and central light are on separate circuits so central light for relaxing, spots for when we want it nice and bright!
 
..he suggesested a dimmer because he considered you would have too much light with 8
(but if you use dimmable, I do not know whether quality/colour of light remains good as you dim them)

I wouldn't ever bother with a diummer in a bathroom/wetroom, but that's me. If you plan your lighting right, you can have one bright mode, another for dim relaxing and say a little one (LED mirror) for your midnight pee.

Do you have a recommendation ? is that a combined bright shaving light and backlit ?

We got most our stuff from bath empire, now called soak.com. They used to have an Amazon outlet called ibath which was cheaper than direct.

Think it was like this mirror, but was around £100. If you go for decent warm white around 3000k temp the lights on these mirrors will be far too white/blue. As they're 5W/m strips with a small 15W power supply in the electrical cabinet behind the mirror, the strips can be changed for 5W/m warm white IP65 strip for about a tenner. Well worth it.

I only wet shave so have no need for a shaver socket. I would get some pictures, but am away with work for another week.

http://soak.com/700x500mm-orion-illuminated-led-mirror--switch-control_p31204663.htm


Alex, That's a crazy amount of lights, especially including that pointless middle one which serves no purpose at all. i'm guessing this is the old original fitting?

- Don't think of lighting as needing to be in grids, lines or any other kind of symmetrical shapes. Put them where they're needed to put the light in teh right place to create the right effect!

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1. Don't need one above the toilet, you'll have plenty of light from the other to see what you're doing. You don't need to light stools with loads of lumen :p
2. Don't put spots above the bath, as already said it'll be in your face and anything but relaxing. If you really want spots then push them into the corners and set the centre at 200-250mm off each wall. But ideally have something say on the ground behind the bath shining upwards, on a separate switch to light up the wall and make a nice feature. This depends if you're doing a full on refurb.
Search on google for 'behind bath uplight' for some ideas. You'll also see pics showing downlight spots really close the the wall behind creating a nice effect.
3. One over the sink is good, just get it central over the sink.
4. What is that other green thing below the sink? Towel rail? Probably don't need this if so.
5. The one off the boiler I'd put centrally to the boiler itself and back about 300mm from it. No need to put it centrally over the door if you have on in cubicle also.
6. If shower head is central between those in cubicle, then I'd probably leave x2, but put them 200/250mm from each end of the cubicle, then 450mm off the long wall. Then you'll have 1400-200-200=1m gap between them which is about right.

Roundup
- From the above I'd remove toilet and towel rail(?) and most definitely remove the central useless fitting.
- Push bath ones into the corner or switch them for uplights behind bath close to wall.
- So if you keep spots in bath corners then you'd have x6 total and then a backlit LED mirror.
- Switch the bath ones separately to the other 4 in the main room.
- Bathroom LED backlit mirror is controlled by the front touch switch which toggles backlight LEDs and demister pad.
- Ensure the spots are all IP65 minimum. ECOLED Zep1 spots are fantastic things and although cost more, you'll never have to change them and will have great quality light from them.
 
Central light fitting is staying as it will be decorative as well as functional, our bathroom is more of a traditional style then many you see on here. We are half wood panelling with tongue and groove (MRMDF boards) and the only tiling is a matt finish in the shower cubicle. The floor will be engineered oak. The bath is the original cast iron Victorian one and so is the sink sadly the toilet suffered a terminal failure. The central light fitting is separately switched and will be used when a more relaxing atmosphere is wanted for a bath.

Really struggling with the spots question I have four in my small loft shower room and I've literally today ordered some 7.5W GU10 LED's to try and brighten the room up, thanks for all the help guys it is appreciated.
 
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