How many ppl claim IB?

yes, she was shocked

she said it was full of young people in their prime. obviously there were old people there too getting treatment.

its true that inidence of cancer goes up exponentially as you get older, but look at cancer forums and you will see many stories of young women with breast cancer for instance.
 
yes, she was shocked

she said it was full of young people in their prime. obviously there were old people there too getting treatment.

its true that inidence of cancer goes up exponentially as you get older, but look at cancer forums and you will see many stories of young women with breast cancer for instance.

Children with disability is a very hard thing to deal with, for the children, the parents and the carers. It's very upsetting to think about - one of my friends from school had leukaemia when we were in primary two (age 5 or so). He's had it on and off now about 4 or 5 times and has had a marrow transplant now. He is 18 now and doing alright but it's rough on him and his family. It's one of the things I think I will have trouble with when I become a doctor in years to come.

The doctors can only talk about risk factors and likelihoods so we all (almost) expect old smokers to have cancer but its just as possible (not probable!) for gets to get it as anyone else.
 
Even if this was not paid out in IB's, they would spend it elseware..You would not be any better off i.e. less tax/nat insurance, so all the one really!

But it could be spent elsewhere. Like equipping are armed forces correctly, or on schools. Or on public transport.

I bet there's very few people who can't not work. With the invent of computers and home working. I'm sure most could do data entry or some other job.

This country is a joke when it comes to benefits. unless you can't do any job. You should only be eligible for 6months. It's just people only want a job they like which pays x amount. People should be forced to do anything they can physically do.
 
Speaking from experience, of which I have had a lot over the last few years, IB is weighted very heavily on the side of physical disability and against mental disability. I was asked if I could walk upstairs, dress and bathe my self and make a simple meal. On these grounds I was judged fit for work, even though at the time I was unable to leave the house, unable to stay awake for more than 2 hours at a stretch, unable to carry out any task for more than 5 minutes and completely incapable of concentrating on anything at all. Those of you out there with a history of mental incapacity will understand what I am talking about. It has taken me 5 years of hard slog to get to the position I find myself in today, but I still have issues so don 't consider my self fully 100% fit.

I know that there are some out there who would have considered me to be one of these slackers, and I am positive that there are some out there who are, but please be wary of painting everyone with the same brush.
 
Guy down the road claims this (bad back). Thing is there is nothing wrong with him. Was out laying a new patio last summer. Takes the ***, we pay taxes and that lazy ******* sits at home watching telly all day.

Whole family of chavs though, which explains everything I guess.
 
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Even if this was not paid out in IB's, they would spend it elseware..You would not be any better off i.e. less tax/nat insurance, so all the one really!

So if you could save half it would not be better for those billions to go to the NHS or Education?

the guy above might want to edit the colourful language?
 
I'd like to see those who dislike IB try to find a job once they've been out of work for 3+ years. Mates mate not worked in 15 years and couldn't even get a temp job at the PO, they hired polish immigrants instead.

Or those suffering from mental problems, council workers have no idea at all..
 
Guy down the road claims this (bad back). Thing is there is nothing wrong with him. Was out laying a new patio last summer. Takes the ****, we pay taxes and that lazy ******* sits at home watching telly all day.

Whole family of chavs though, which explains everything I guess.
I'd star out the sweary, if I was you, mate.

Would you be prepared to grass him/his family up for it?
 
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Guy down the road claims this (bad back). Thing is there is nothing wrong with him. Was out laying a new patio last summer. Takes the ****, we pay taxes and that lazy ******* sits at home watching telly all day.

Whole family of chavs though, which explains everything I guess.

should have filmed it or just rang the benifts people up they got posters every where and they'll do it for you.

The only requirement for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing :)
 
I doubt many people on these forums would admit to claiming it, even if they were laid up in bed with a fractured back, missing both legs and using two good fingers to type on a laptop.

I've no doubt that some people do take claim IB fraudulently, but I suspect the vast majority are genuine, and some were probably signed off with IB when an injury/disability prevented them from getting any jobs at the time (a relatively minor bad back would probably have legitimately stopped most people working in most manual jobs a few years ago, but now they may be able to work in something like IT if they are retrained etc).
But I suspect the number of such cases is low.

The Tories do this every few years "If we get into power we'll magically make the numbers on IB (or other random benefits) drop dramatically by doing (insert testing/standards that are already applied)".
It's incredibly easy to say you'll do something if you know you'll not have the chance to do it (think keyboard warrior mentality, but with politics and peoples lives).


From what I know of IB you initially get signed off sick by your GP, and then apply for it.
You then undergo various tests and evaluations by an independent doctor at regular medical, he then makes a report as to his opinion of your condition which pretty much decides if you do get it.
This is then evaluated at regular intervals, the regularity decided by things like what you are ill with, and how long you've had it/are likely to suffer from it. So at first you might need to see the evaluating doctor every 6 months, then after a few years it might drop down to once a year , and eventually to less than that if it's a recognised chronic condition (you still have to fill in forms every now and then, usually with only a very short space of time to do it - which can make it hard for some people who are genuinely ill to do them in time, but not be a bother for someone who is milking the system).

One of my neighbours is chronically ill and was explaining it to me a while back (he looks pretty healthy if you only see him once in a blue moon, but once you actually know him you can see he's not exactly fit for work)
 
I really hate this sort of attitude that the sick people of this country should have to fend for themselves because a few people claim benefits fraudulently. Have you ever stopped to think that a lot of the people who claim IB desperately want to go back to work? It is impossible for someone to judge anothers ability to work regularly without fully knowing their situation. IB is £60-80 per week, which really isn't a lot of money to live on if you're unable to work, but it can be enough to at least help buy food.

The proposed changes to IB are extremely worrying for people with conditions such as ME, where it may be possible to pass all the physical tests at one doctors appointments and the person appears fit to work, but they are then unable to do anything for days after.
 
My dad was on incapacity benefit for years due to depression and alcoholism. The doctors found it much easier to "sign him off" than to get him the psychiatric and medical help he actually needed in order to get him back to work. The money wasn't bad either and he felt he'd actually be worse off going back to work.

A massive waste of taxpayers money which only served to contribute to his alcoholism and subsequent death.

The system is broken :(.
 
It costs the country £12.65bn every year

Was that a response to me? Do you think that we should close hospitals and doctors surgeries because they also cost the country a lot of money every year? Or do you just think that the sick people of this country should live on the streets because they're not lucky enough to be able to work like you can.
 
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