How many ppl claim IB?

MHayes · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:28

I am not a doctor but how hard is it to spot fakers, I am sure for ME there are physical symptoms that you can't fake?

I wouldn't want legitimate claims to suffer, one day we might find ourselves needing help. But it is oobvious the benefit system needs looking at.

thepharcyde · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:34

Still wasted money

SB118 · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:34

neocon said:
ppl in extreme poverty vs ppl who fake injury/ too lazy to work

hmm..

You'll be overjoyed to hear i could be joining the ranks of the disabled next year then

edit, doh, THIS year!

Parmesan · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:42

I have never claimed any form of benefit. I have two mate's who I went to school with, now neither of them were the smartest people in the world but still managed to get through school and college with good grades, both went out and got reasonable job's, but then both gave up on work and now simply live off benefits.

They both have nice flats with pretty much everything you could want in them, and always seem to have money to go down the pub or go out at the weekends. Where as I work my **** off and am barley able to afford my own place and scrape thorough each month paying all the bills.

I really dont understand it, should I just quit my job and start claiming benefits, seems like I can get everything I want and have to do nothing for it.

Sure there are some people out there who need to claim benefits, people who are injured or incapacatated(sp?) My dad for one was injured at work and needed to have keyhole surgery on his knee, he was off work for around 2-3 months and claimed just enough to keep himself and my mum going. This I see as being fair eough.

Anyway rant over.

JoeRiches

Azagoth · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:43

...and yet there are disabled people who are told to bugger off when they attempt to claim IB! I'm registered disabled myself, have a disability advisor and yet when I tried to claim IB to tide me over a really rough patch they told me "sorry, but you're not disabled enough"!

Not disabled enough? What the hell? They deemed me disabled enough to make me see a disability advisor for the past 3 years and disabled enough to give me a blue card for the car.

I'm guessing that if I was either gay, a muslim, black and/or brown I'd get showered with money.

hominid · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:44

Adz said:
The money wasn't bad either and he felt he'd actually be worse off going back to work.

That's a big part of it right there! Some of these people will only get low-paid jobs so they are much better off claiming benefits.

It was the tories, under Thatcher, that started the push to put people on to IB in order to get them off of the unemployment register - just to make themselves look better in the statistics!

hominid · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:48

Azagoth said:
...and yet there are disabled people who are told to bugger off when they attempt to claim IB! I'm registered disabled myself, have a disability advisor and yet when I tried to claim IB to tide me over a really rough patch they told me "sorry, but you're not disabled enough"!

Not disabled enough? What the hell? They deemed me disabled enough to make me see a disability advisor for the past 3 years and disabled enough to give me a blue card for the car.

I'm disabled, paralysed and in a wheelchair, and when I tried to claim disability benefit I was told I wasn't disabled enough too :mad:

. Yet my aunt who has a dodgy thumb from years of hair dressing gets it - doesn't make sense and totally ****** me off!

CoreRipOffDuo · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:54

Let's face it, the UK is pretty screwed up these days.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:58

Azagoth said:
...and yet there are disabled people who are told to bugger off when they attempt to claim IB! I'm registered disabled myself, have a disability advisor and yet when I tried to claim IB to tide me over a really rough patch they told me "sorry, but you're not disabled enough"!

SB118 said:
You'll be overjoyed to hear i could be joining the ranks of the disabled next year then

if it's not too personal may i has how you both are?

Also what is ME?

jas72 · 6 Jan 2008 at 17:58

thepharcyde said:
Blame the system then. If it was not so up for abuse then maybe it would not be an issue in the first place. People who choose to defraud the system are only highlighting what a poor state of affairs the DSS is in, blame the government.

So because the government doesn't do anything to stop people stealing then they are not to blame for doing it?

It is theft you know.

Like others said the money could be put to good use. Also would you prefer if the government spent another 12 billion controlling claimants?

SB118 · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:28

Tefal said:
if it's not too personal may i has how you both are?

Also what is ME?

I'm having "slight" back trouble. Not done a days work in nearly a month now and i'm going out of bloody mind with bordom.

I'm on the waiting list for an op to fix it, but i've had time to think about the negative points of the op and i'm starting to reconsider it.

Azagoth · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:32

Tefal said:
if it's not too personal may i has how you both are?

Well, at the moment I can't walk more than 100yards without my legs cracking open and bleeding profusely. I also have bleeding wounds over 50% of my body and as such I can't apply for jobs anywhere that's dusty, dry, humid, hot or cold. As an added bonus, my skin constantly feels like it's on fire, you know when you accidentally touch yourself with a match? Well, imagine that over most of your skin.

thepharcyde · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:37

jas72 said:
It is theft you know.

Is it?

jas72 said:
Like others said the money could be put to good use. Also would you prefer if the government spent another 12 billion controlling claimants?

So they are doing nothing then? I think many people on here are mere speculating the amount of fraudulant claimers out there. It is a small proportion of the whole £12 bil, and this is total benefits not just IB's, this may include dole, child benefit, IB's etc etc.

They are clamping down on it and it is only a matter of time before anyone abusing it will eventually be caught . If it takes another £1bil to stamp out/reduce the fraudulant claims then so be it. If I knew someone on the fiddle I would not think twice about grassing them up.

It takes the GP's (something you want more money plowed into) to be a bit more forthcoming with their diagnosing of potential IB's IMO too.

Every month people on IB should be made to go infront of a panel of GP's and assessed Monday morning 7am. Most chavs would prob get fed up of it in the end as most lay in bed too gone midday.

Someone above made a very valid point, and I know someone of similar circumstances. 3 kids on the dole thick as **** would have no chance getting a job which pays more than their weekly dole cheque so why bother, but this is off OP and IB's.

SB118 · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:38

Azagoth said:
Well, at the moment I can't walk more than 100yards without my legs cracking open and bleeding profusely. I also have bleeding wounds over 50% of my body and as such I can't apply for jobs anywhere that's dusty, dry, humid, hot or cold. As an added bonus, my skin constantly feels like it's on fire, you know when you accidentally touch yourself with a match? Well, imagine that over most of your skin.

Damn that sucks. Hope they've given you better drugs than me.

thepharcyde · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:41

Azagoth said:
Well, at the moment I can't walk more than 100yards without my legs cracking open and bleeding profusely. I also have bleeding wounds over 50% of my body and as such I can't apply for jobs anywhere that's dusty, dry, humid, hot or cold. As an added bonus, my skin constantly feels like it's on fire, you know when you accidentally touch yourself with a match? Well, imagine that over most of your skin.

Fireman?

.....sorry j/k, sounds horrible. Get better soon

[TR]SweetSpotOz · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:42

Azagoth said:
Well, at the moment I can't walk more than 100yards without my legs cracking open and bleeding profusely. I also have bleeding wounds over 50% of my body and as such I can't apply for jobs anywhere that's dusty, dry, humid, hot or cold. As an added bonus, my skin constantly feels like it's on fire, you know when you accidentally touch yourself with a match? Well, imagine that over most of your skin.

Get re-evaluated. Go and see your GP and then get him to write a letter.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 18:57

Azagoth said:
Well, at the moment I can't walk more than 100yards without my legs cracking open and bleeding profusely. I also have bleeding wounds over 50% of my body and as such I can't apply for jobs anywhere that's dusty, dry, humid, hot or cold. As an added bonus, my skin constantly feels like it's on fire, you know when you accidentally touch yourself with a match? Well, imagine that over most of your skin.

Jesus, sounds like some plague out of a horror film, hope there's a cure / treatment, surely if you turned up bleeding profusely and wearing shorts/t-shirt the person would sign you off as disabled? especially if you get blood all over their chair.

yaboy · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:03

Fraggr said:
Incapacity Benefits. It's for people who can't work and chavs.

LMFAO. Well put

Azagoth · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:14

thepharcyde said:
Fireman? .....sorry j/k, sounds horrible. Get better soon

There is no cure sadly, they can treat the symptoms but as for curing it that's something for the future generations to do. I was born with it and I'll most probably die with it.

markyp23 said:
Get re-evaluated. Go and see your GP and then get him to write a letter.

Already been done a few times. I've even had my consultant dermatologist write a letter and still they claim I'm not disabled enough. Funny thing is though, if I chop a a little finger off I'll be entitled to shedloads of cash even though it won't affect my employment possibilities.

Tefal · 6 Jan 2008 at 19:19

Azagoth said:
There is no cure sadly, they can treat the symptoms but as for curing it that's something for the future generations to do. I was born with it and I'll most probably die with it.

Already been done a few times. I've even had my consultant dermatologist write a letter and still they claim I'm not disabled enough. Funny thing is though, if I chop a a little finger off I'll be entitled to shedloads of cash even though it won't affect my employment possibilities.

chop your right ring finger off its the only one you don't need for a pc