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How many pro photographers... do you know that do not have any qualifications?

I ask this becuase I don't want to spend the next 4 years of my life back in education if it is not a big thing in the photography industry.

Will I struggle to find a job without a HND in photography? I think 4 years work experience would be better than a HND...... :confused:

Advice please.
 
You cant teach people to be creative.

You can only teach techniques.

A qualification in Photography doesnt mean your a great photographer.
 
iBot said:
You cant teach people to be creative.

You can only teach techniques.

A qualification in Photography doesnt mean your a great photographer.

This is true. Unfortunately, many of the professional photograpers that I have seen tend to produce "average" images but have skills that go far beyond the photographic when it comes to people skills and business creativity.

What I mean by that is that the professionals generally ruthless self-marketers who get anywhere and everywhere and talk to everyone to get contacts and get the work. Depending on what type of pro they are, they can also get the shots to the agency first by doing no PS work at all and shooting in JPEG.

Personally, I would go the experience route and get out and shoot as much as you can to build a portfolio rather than getting a qualification in it :)
 
Any of these interest you?

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You get the experience, time to build a potfolio and get paid.
 
You really should get a degree to help you get on in the working world. It doens't really matter which one. If you are interested in photography and you want to pursue a career in it then it make sense to do a degree in it!

It's exceptionally hard to get a well paid job as a proffesional photographer. Having a degree will help you somewhat towards that goal but you will need a good portfolio, be a nice bloke, be able to get on with people well and you will need to market yourself well. Don't think that once you have finished your degree that people are going to be knocking on your door gagging to take you on. It aint gonna happen.
 
Mohain said:
You really should get a degree to help you get on in the working world. It doens't really matter which one. If you are interested in photography and you want to pursue a career in it then it make sense to do a degree in it!

It's exceptionally hard to get a well paid job as a proffesional photographer. Having a degree will help you somewhat towards that goal but you will need a good portfolio, be a nice bloke, be able to get on with people well and you will need to market yourself well. Don't think that once you have finished your degree that people are going to be knocking on your door gagging to take you on. It aint gonna happen.

I cant say that I agree with you.

Imagine two people are sat there in an interview waiting room:

Candidate 1:

Degree in photography, limited experience of real world professional work but can tell you everything you need to know on the technicalities of operating a camera and composition.

Candidate 2:

No photographic qualifications but has been an assistant to a professional for a year, worked alongside professionals for a further year as an intern and then finally started to attract work in his own right as a professional. Portfolio full of real-world shots from live, mission-critical shoots.

Thats of course assuming candidate #1 even got to the interview, because #2 would have had far superior contacts!
 
Hi DRZ,

I wondering how candidate no.2 got his assistant job in the first place with no qualifications?

If you can get in a position like that then, wow, yes, go for it! I totally agree that work in the field is invaluable. But I think work like that (assistant to a pro) are as rare as rocking horse poo and getting a degree in the first place will give you the edge over someone without any formal qualifications (all other things being equal, portfolios etc).

EDIT: I don't make myself clear sometimes :rolleyes: What I mean is I think you're probably looking to be degree level qualified even to get an assistant's job these days. I really hope I'm proved wrong though.
 
To the best of my knowledge, at least 2 people have got a foot in the door in the past with no qualifications whatsoever.

mrk did it with Venture IIRC and rG-tom did with another photo company, so it can be done.

A big factor must be the area of photography you want to get into though - some areas are much more competitive than others!
 
Thats some good points please keep them coming.

I really would prefer go down the work experience path if I can. A college can teach me all the technicalities of how everything works and what would make a good photograph but I'm one of those ppl who I think that would make me very narrowminded and cut my creativity in my photographs.

I'm too late for college this year anyway. Not itnerested in an evening course. I think the time would be better spent finding a job in photgraphy.
 
It all depends on what you want to do. Photography is so broad its unreal. A good portrait / event photographer can get a job based on people skills more than photography skills. What I've found is that a lot of photographers are just people. They've done various things with their lives and now they're into photography. I can't say I've yet met anyone who has a photography degree.
 
My Dad Owns a Studio in Stoke-on-Trent, and has done for the last 10 or so years now.
It started off as a hobby after his first camera at the age of 21. After Lots of practice on me, friends and family he really started to get into it. He then took photos at Family weddings. Eventually photography became his job, he started doing wedding photography and also childrens photography at Nurseries.

He opened His first studio just over 10 years ago, and now has 3 photographers going out covering 300 nurseries a year, while he does studio photography and a few commercial jobs.

The only time he ever went to get a qualification was when the studio was being set up, just to have a few certificates on the wall ( not for his sake(oh and he hated the courses))

I suppose it depends entirely on kind of photography you are into, our nursery photographers had little photographic knowledge as my dad preferred to train them himself.

We have numerous appliccations from students with degrees in photography, however after past experiences they normally go straight into the bin. We found that younger applications with degrees, thought that they knew it all, that the way they had been taught was the best and only way to do things, and generally did not like to adjust because they knew better. This was fine it was how they had probably been taught in uni.

However, if somebody with more social and work experience came along, that was willing to be taught or had a little photographic knowledge, they would be prefferable.

IMO experience counts for more than a degree, go and get a job as a studio assistant and work there for 4 years, ask local photographers if you can sit in and watch them work. 4 Years in the photographic industry accoutns for more with regards getting a job, than 4 years being taught photography by Uni Lecturers. I can only really coment on Studio photography, but if you have got a good personality, are not shy and can interact with customers easily, you are off to a flying start.

*Not to tar all Uni photography students with the same brush however, Just OUR experiences.

EDIT: My dad had a bad accident last christmas, leaving him unable (for the forseeable future) to take photographs again. Our new Studio photographer, Is the girl who has been with us since leaving school, has worked in the office, was the lab technician up until last year, and used to sit in on studios on a saturday watching how my dad worked. She went to collage part time to learn photography for 2 years IIRC, which according to her was a complete waste of time as she could learn more watching my dad and asking questions in less than a quarter of that time. She is now 21, Is our main studio photographer, can fully operate a photographic lab and has bags full of experience. I dare say she could walk straight into most photographi job interviews in the area and be in the running. You will be the same age as her when you leave uni, as a job interviewer, who would you employ?
 
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I had applied for a one year course in photography, as in the position due to illness and trying to sort my life out, that i would have got the course free for the year.

Mainly wanted to do it as it covered studio work, developing etc which is always good to know. Due to college screwing it up i didn't get on the course, or they didn't want me there who knows which is correct as got 2 different stories from different departments about numbers on the course.

I was going to use the course as a basic learning experience but continue to do my own work as well outwith the course requirements. Might investigate local photographers now and see if they have any assistant slots they want filled instead.

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Just a quick update here to let ppl know I managed (by some miracle) to squeeze my way in to a NQ Photography course at North Glasgow College after showing the lecturer my photobox photobook she was really impressed and could see my enthusiasm for photography and squeezed me in to the course. :)

Now all I need to do is try and find the funding for it... :(
 
Nice one Colin.

BTW, your sig is breaking the rules and it's already been replaced a couple of times. Just a quick heads-up :)

Good luck on the course mate :)
 
You dont need qualifications in this kind of business, they help but they are not essential. I have studied art for 6 years concentrating 2 on photography and 4 on Animation and Film. However, I have been using SLR's since the age of 13. It is something that you can teach yourself over many years. Having a good knowledge of art and its techniques is essential though.

Hopefully within the next year I'll be shooting for Pilot or Airforces. ;)
 
Mohain said:
Nice one Colin.

BTW, your sig is breaking the rules and it's already been replaced a couple of times. Just a quick heads-up :)

Good luck on the course mate :)

It is? I changed the size of it that what was breaking the rules right? It is now only 75px in height, same as everyone else. Or am I missing something?
 
Colin_da_Killer said:
It is? I changed the size of it that what was breaking the rules right? It is now only 75px in height, same as everyone else. Or am I missing something?

Fine for me now.
 
I've been doing it (weddings/photojournalism/events) for 8 years now.. not really pursed any big breaks as such and so far only been working freelance.. i've just started a HND in Professional Photography & Imaging, just because i feel there is things i can still learn and i've never been that great with the tecnical terms etc. I know what they do and how it's done.. just dunno what things are called etc..

So i persnally feel there is a benefit from getting a qualification
 
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