How many seconds can you legally stream music for (quiz related)?

[SexyGreyFox]

I can't find the answer, Google fail.

I have mates who run quizzes on Facebook and they are getting turned off or in the case of one friend, a letter from Warner Brothers threatening him.
I think the problem is they stream too long so for instance they'll play the intro, 1st verse, chorus and then ask the question where most quizzers like myself need 5 seconds of the intro.

So has anybody got any idea how long of a song you can legally stream for before getting jumped on?

Thanks

 

[mattyg]

I can't find the answer, Google fail.

I have mates who run quizzes on Facebook and they are getting turned off or in the case of one friend, a letter from Warner Brothers threatening him.
I think the problem is they stream too long so for instance they'll play the intro, 1st verse, chorus and then ask the question where most quizzers like myself need 5 seconds of the intro.

So has anybody got any idea how long of a song you can legally stream for before getting jumped on?

Thanks

I don't think there is a specific time. I believe it comes under "fair use" and that is most probably decided on a individual basis.

Like playing 10 sec on an advert is different to playing 10 secs on a quiz.


However they can get around it by getting a PPL/PRS license at around £4.30 per quiz

 

[InvaderGIR]

0 seconds

There is no 'fair use' on other people's content, you either pay for the rights to use it, or you don't use it. It's very simple.

 

[mattyg]

0 seconds

There is no 'fair use' on other people's content, you either pay for the rights to use it, or you don't use it. It's very simple.

Are you sure?

https://copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use

 

[InvaderGIR]

Are you sure?

https://copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p09_fair_use

Yes, I'm sure. The reason they are getting hit by the companies is that they aren't allowed to use it because they've not paid the rights. You can use other's content if you are critiquing / parodying / covering it but straight up use of it isn't on and is exactly why they are getting hit.

E: Have a watch of Tom's video, it explains it the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

 

[mattyg]

Yes, I'm sure. The reason they are getting hit by the companies is that they aren't allowed to use it because they've not paid the rights. You can use other's content if you are critiquing / parodying / covering it but straight up use of it isn't on and is exactly why they are getting hit.

But how does time warner know that the individual isn't paying ppl/prs

 

[InvaderGIR]

But how does time warner know that the individual isn't paying ppl/prs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU

See Tom's video. Internet is very different from radio etc. and the law(s) aren't updated accordingly.

 

[mattyg]

Gonna be a lot of facebook Dj's playing sets Pi**ed off then


Edit: Just to muddy the water further

https://www.prsformusic.com/licences/using-music-online/music-streaming-licence

 

[SexyGreyFox]

I was hoping I was going to be able to tell them don't play more than 15 seconds for a quiz and you'll be OK.

 

[mattyg]

I was hoping I was going to be able to tell them don't play more than 15 seconds for a quiz and you'll be OK.

Ah the black and whiteness of law


lol

 

[Diddums]

I was hoping I was going to be able to tell them don't play more than 15 seconds for a quiz and you'll be OK.

There are millions of royalty free tracks out there which can be used, no need to deal with this ridiculous corporate greed over 10 seconds of music. These companies literally make billions on this music, the fact they’re coming after Dave and his 12 mates who are hosting a pub quiz online over 10 seconds of music is just tragic and pathetic.

In fact I’d go so far as to say it has the potential to be counterproductive to their goal of making money whilst maintaining their reputation as a reputable music supplier.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

There are millions of royalty free tracks out there which can be used

Not easy when they want to play 15 seconds of Deep Purple Rat Bat Blue or 15 seconds of Oasis The Hindu Times etc.

 

[Puzzled]

What if the quiz host sings it / reads the lyrics themselves? Might not get picked up automatically then, plus could be a laugh

 

[arknor]

isnt there a website you can join for a really small fee that gives you access to a pretty big selection of music you can use.

 

[rubberduck]

Just find a platform for doing your quiz that doesn't monitor for copyright material.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

isnt there a website you can join for a really small fee that gives you access to a pretty big selection of music you can use.

Any idea what it's called?
They are streaming from Spotify so that could be the problem.

 

[wez130]

You can use mixclouds new streaming service, it think itt's about £10 a month and you can stream what the hell you like as artists get paid.

https://www.mixcloud.com/discover/live-stream/

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Any idea what it's called?
They are streaming from Spotify so that could be the problem.

@arknor
Any idea what the site is called?

 

[Deleted member 77746]

Can you not just use YouTube? Artists get paid from there don't they?

They also get paid on Spotify, Apple Music etc so I’m not sure what the problem is.

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Can you not just use YouTube? Artists get paid from there don't they?

They also get paid on Spotify, Apple Music etc so I’m not sure what the problem is.

The whole idea is they are live streaming and while doing the quiz they will play a bit of a track off their phone from Spotify.
You can imagine it is quite a bad sound and some people moan (can you hold it closer etc) but Facebook still stop it or Warner Brothers moan about it.
Playing from You Tube or Amazon Prime is still going to cause the same issue.
I've just done another music quiz but he kept it to all questions and pictures.