How much electric would this use? Stock and undervolted TDP for the system?

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TLDR I refuse to pay the amount it'll cost me a month to run a 5800x/3080/4070 etc spec new rig so I'm thinking of building a budget 1080p'ish 2nd hand rig...

What would my worst come worse wattage usage be for say a Ryzen 5 3600g OR 5600x (both 65w tdp)//3060ti system/27-32" monitor? excluding amp/speakers as mostly be using earphones anyway... ALSO what have you guys achieved when undervolted with this setup/what tdp did you achieve for your system?

Just trying to work out how much it's going to cost me a month to run a cheaper system :)

Once I have this info I can just bang the numbers into a kw/h calculator with my current tarrif.

Oh and what psu will I need for this? 650w or less?

Thanks!
 
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cpu will use 62 watts idle and around 130 full load according to
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a 3060ti will use 130-200 watts gaming according to google.
a monitors probably around 50


Under volting a cpu probably doesn't save many watts just makes the chips run a lot cooler.
you can use msi afterburner to change gpu power consumption from 54%-100% but obviously it will impact performance. (it doesn't need to be a msi card they just make the programme)

with most games and my old 980ti it seems fine to just leave it at 54% tbh
650watt fine, the higher wattage the psu the less stressed it will be and the more it will be kept in a higher efficiency range, to a point
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There's not a lot of difference between the different PSU efficiency standards
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But if you get a PSU that can deliver around your full system load at around 50-60% power output it seems that would be optimal.
at lower loads like idle that could change though (see first image I posted)
 
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dont be put off by the link being a review for a 12900k! it has the watts used by a ton of CPUs on the charts

you need to factor in that during gaming modern cpus won't be maxed out though so you can't just look at the multi threaded loaded.

Heres the power consumption during cyber punk with a bunch of different CPUs combined with a 6900XT GPU.
bare in mind cyberpunk will be an extreme example and most games aren't that demanding unless your playing without any FPS limit and running solitaire with a 1000fps etc
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Image captured from https://www.techspot.com/review/2352-intel-core-i7-12700kf/
 
keef247 said:
TLDR I refuse to pay the amount it'll cost me a month to run a 5800x/3080/4070 etc spec new rig so I'm thinking of building a budget 1080p'ish 2nd hand rig...

What would my worst come worse wattage usage be for say a Ryzen 5 3600g OR 5600x (both 65w tdp)//3060ti system/27-32" monitor? excluding amp/speakers as mostly be using earphones anyway... ALSO what have you guys achieved when undervolted with this setup/what tdp did you achieve for your system?

Just trying to work out how much it's going to cost me a month to run a cheaper system and again wether it's worth it vs just getting a ps5 which is 180w tdp iirc...

Once I have this info I can just bang the numbers into a kw/h calculator with my current tarrif.

Oh and what psu will I need for this? 650w or less?

Thanks!
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PS5 would use far less electricity.

If it impacts your electricity bill that much, PS5 all day.

5800X 65 watt usage isn’t realistic and a GPU on its own will easily use more power than a PS5.
 
As above, I was going to say this isn't quite as simple as 'grabbing lower power stuff'

In the games I play my cpu and gpu don't get fully stretched and as such aren't pulling their max power draw, changing to a lower setup might actually work out as higher power draw because everything is actually having to work at 100%.
There's also other factors like running at lower settings or resolutions and upscaling via the screen (think 1080p on a 4k display etc)....

Honestly before buying another pc grab a power meter that tells you how much your pc is pulling when in the games you play. It might actually end up costing you more to buy said low end pc than the extra cost of electric you'll end up using staying with what you have... having said that I'm looking at getting a mid tier gaming laptop for similar reasons to the OP (should be roughly equal to my pc's idle draw when playing games).
 
lsg1r said:
As above, I was going to say this isn't quite as simple as 'grabbing lower power stuff'

In the games I play my cpu and gpu don't get fully stretched and as such aren't pulling their max power draw, changing to a lower setup might actually work out as higher power draw because everything is actually having to work at 100%.
There's also other factors like running at lower settings or resolutions and upscaling via the screen (think 1080p on a 4k display etc)....

Honestly before buying another pc grab a power meter that tells you how much your pc is pulling when in the games you play. It might actually end up costing you more to buy said low end pc than the extra cost of electric you'll end up using staying with what you have... having said that I'm looking at getting a mid tier gaming laptop for similar reasons to the OP (should be roughly equal to my pc's idle draw when playing games).
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yea and turning off shadows, capping the fps to 60 instead of having 100fps etc could cut the GPU power usage in half and if you have the gpu set to max power saving in the drivers then when its not under full load it should downclock to save even more watts.
I think with my gpu it only starts to lower clocks when its under around 66% load though so mostly older games

seems like fallacy to go with lower end stuff to save watts
 
JollyJamma said:
PS5 would use far less electricity.

If it impacts your electricity bill that much, PS5 all day.

5800X 65 watt usage isn’t realistic and a GPU on its own will easily use more power than a PS5.
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Or an iPad, play mobile games on iPad save so much power, no pc and no tv winner

Or get a SteamDeck it's like 30w

Or Nintendo switch like 25w
 
thanks for all your inputs...

As I've chosen to go second hand, bar psu and using things like cex for the 3060 with 2 year warranty I'm going for bang per buck and as low usage of eleccy as pos.

I do not like the idea of spending 2.3k like I was going to before on all new (nor spending 1.5k on secondhand excluding monitor) to then spend £70-100 every month forever on powering it... screw that!

However spending £30-40 a month for something that's cost me £8-900 with a brand new monitor/psu seems like a very good sweet spot...

A PS5 or xbox is utter garage imho, can't even use RT at 60fps and everything is VRR yet marketed as 4k and barely holds 1440p at 30 in most games like ghost of tushima etc... just such a let down, why should I have to choose between eyr candy or fps. utter junk for 'next gen' and hardly any good new games just remasters of last gen...
Also by the time you plug your 180w tdp ps5 into your 100w tdp 65" 4k TV like I have I'm saving nothing on electric either.

I'll be running 1080p so the 3060 should last me a fair while at 60-100fps capped for SP games, then when onnthe rare occasion I fancy MP I uncapped the frame rate? I don't see why this is a bad idea?
 
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keef247 said:
thanks for all your inputs...

As I've chosen to go second hand, bar psu and using things like cex for the 3060 with 2 year warranty I'm going for bang per buck and as low usage of eleccy as pos.

I do not like the idea of spending 2.3k like I was going to before on all new (nor spending 1.5k on secondhand excluding monitor) to then spend £70-100 every month forever on powering it... screw that!

However spending £30-40 a month for something that's cost me £8-900 with a brand new monitor/psu seems like a very good sweet spot...

A PS5 or xbox is utter garage imho, can't even use RT at 60fps and everything is VRR yet marketed as 4k and barely holds 1440p at 30 in most games like ghost of tushima etc... just such a let down, why should I have to choose between eyr candy or fps. utter junk for 'next gen' and hardly any good new games just remasters of last gen...
Also by the time you plug your 180w tdp ps5 into your 100w tdp 65" 4k TV like I have I'm saving nothing on electric either.

I'll be running 1080p so the 3060 should last me a fair while at 60-100fps capped for SP games, then when onnthe rare occasion I fancy MP I uncapped the frame rate? I don't see why this is a bad idea?
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Get a platinum rated PSU if you’re that worried.

Will cost more but increases the efficiency by 2% and should last a good few years.

I don’t know how much running a computer costs per month but I can’t imagine that you’d notice a huge increase.

I also think that wanting to game at 4K and worrying about electricity usage are diametrically opposed.

Yes, the PS5 can’t do 4K gaming at 120 fps but it’s still pretty amazing value for the money.
 
JollyJamma said:
Get a platinum rated PSU if you’re that worried.

Will cost more but increases the efficiency by 2% and should last a good few years.

I don’t know how much running a computer costs per month but I can’t imagine that you’d notice a huge increase.

I also think that wanting to game at 4K and worrying about electricity usage are diametrically opposed.

Yes, the PS5 can’t do 4K gaming at 120 fps but it’s still pretty amazing value for the money.
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it can't do 4k at any resolution mate. it uses a dynamic res that struggles to hold 1440p at 30fps... ghost of tushima for example can only do 60fps @1080p on the ps4 version via a ps5...
the fact Sony put 8k on the box is laughable.

As mentioned though I'd be happy with 1080p 60-100fps capped with an undervolt to last me a few years using around the same as a ps5+TV with a 20w tdp 144hz 27" 1080p monitor for pc games. gives me a nice bit of future proofing headroom and cam unlock fps for any MP should I bother.
 
keef247 said:
it can't do 4k at any resolution mate. it uses a dynamic res that struggles to hold 1440p at 30fps... ghost of tushima for example can only do 60fps @1080p on the ps4 version via a ps5...
the fact Sony put 8k on the box is laughable.

As mentioned though I'd be happy with 1080p 60-100fps capped with an undervolt to last me a few years using around the same as a ps5+TV with a 20w tdp 144hz 27" 1080p monitor for pc games. gives me a nice bit of future proofing headroom and cam unlock fps for any MP should I bother.
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PCs that can rival an xbox series x or ps5 are pretty expensive, we're not like it was before, where a cheap PC beat the consoles. Most 1080p builds have a less powerful PC than a console, except for the S model.

The average 1080p/60 build (with a 6 core Zen 3 or 12th gen CPU, RX 6600 or 3060) should be under 200-250 in typical gaming load. A 3060 Ti is a borderline 1440p card. The difference between 250 and 500 for 3 hours a day, for a year, would be £75 @ £0.28 kwh (£75 v £150). 500 watts would usually cover a high-end CPU and a 6900 XT or 3090. You can see the difference v-sync makes here, it's much bigger for high-end cards.
 
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27-32" monitor?
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In similar type monitors size has the way biggest effect to power draw at certain nits.
So if wanting to cut in electricity, cut monitor size.
And anyway big sizes are wasted on low end 1920x1080 resolution.


arknor said:
There's not a lot of difference between the different PSU efficiency standards
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Actually in amount of power wasted by PSU there's major increase when going down the efficiency ladder:
https://silentpcreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Figure-3-16-PSU-load.png
And that has only 80+ Platinum PSUs as best.

So when power efficiency is important 80+ Gold should be considered starting level.
 
EsaT said:
In similar type monitors size has the way biggest effect to power draw at certain nits.
So if wanting to cut in electricity, cut monitor size.
And anyway big sizes are wasted on low end 1920x1080 resolution.


Actually in amount of power wasted by PSU there's major increase when going down the efficiency ladder:
https://silentpcreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Figure-3-16-PSU-load.png
And that has only 80+ Platinum PSUs as best.

So when power efficiency is important 80+ Gold should be considered starting level.
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take Antec and silver stone out of the chart and then it's narrow.
arent they all really old PSUs from a decade ago anyway?

also it was watts lost as heat so close the windows and door :P heat your room up
 
keef247 said:
thanks for all your inputs...

As I've chosen to go second hand, bar psu and using things like cex for the 3060 with 2 year warranty I'm going for bang per buck and as low usage of eleccy as pos.

I do not like the idea of spending 2.3k like I was going to before on all new (nor spending 1.5k on secondhand excluding monitor) to then spend £70-100 every month forever on powering it... screw that!

However spending £30-40 a month for something that's cost me £8-900 with a brand new monitor/psu seems like a very good sweet spot...

A PS5 or xbox is utter garage imho, can't even use RT at 60fps and everything is VRR yet marketed as 4k and barely holds 1440p at 30 in most games like ghost of tushima etc... just such a let down, why should I have to choose between eyr candy or fps. utter junk for 'next gen' and hardly any good new games just remasters of last gen...
Also by the time you plug your 180w tdp ps5 into your 100w tdp 65" 4k TV like I have I'm saving nothing on electric either.

I'll be running 1080p so the 3060 should last me a fair while at 60-100fps capped for SP games, then when onnthe rare occasion I fancy MP I uncapped the frame rate? I don't see why this is a bad idea?
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How many hours do you actually play on your computer? Cause if you are playing 2-3 hours a day - its rather pointless trying to save energy. Also keep in mind that for example the 3600 you are thinking about isn't particularly efficient. Especially when you are using your PC for browsing for example. I have a 3700x at stock and a 12900k, and the 3700x easily draws 4-5 times as much as my 12900k when im browsing the web. My 12900k sits at like 10 to 20watts while browsing and even youtube, the 3700x doesnt drop below 20 and it even peaks up to the 40-50 watt range.
 
arknor said:
arent they all really old PSUs from a decade ago anyway?
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80+ Bronze is still same 80+ Bronze as 14 years ago.
And we've also basically lost 80+ Silver PSUs with no rise in "base level" to follow rise in top.
(first Titanium PSUs were released decade ago)
 
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