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I am sure it would be bottle necked by my i7 6800k. There is a slight bottle neck even if I went with the 2080 Ti. That's why I want to upgrad my entire rig.
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How much of a bottle neck, i7-4790 +3080?
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Not sure if this helps but I upgraded from your same gpu and cpu to a ryzen 3600.
Not sure why (the cpu bottleneck benchmarks posted earlier would go against my experience) but I 100% noticed games feeling considerably smoother. That's about it.
I got it for super cheap though (sold 4770k and it cost me practically nothing - 4770k was delidded and oc'd to 4.7ghz so maybe bit quicker than 4790k).
I game mostly at 4k. This was a challenge with a 1080, even overclocked with +170 core and +700mhz memory, but I'd say the 3600 upgrade helped with maybe 1-5 fps (quite a lot when you're at 40-50fps).
In assassins creed however, it nearly gave me extra 40%... But it still ran like **** even at 1440p including my next upgrade:
I then upgraded to a 2080 (non super), which is only an extra 25% or so over the 1080 but again noticed only small uplift in fps but more smoothness. Just ironing out those 1% lows.
It's a shame I don't know how to measure 1% lows... I think that's what I experienced.
Anyway - yeah, as always, you'll gain a tiny bit from a better cpu, and a whooooole massive chunk of fps from a new gpu.
Do gpu first, for sure, then get a new ryzen zen 3 4700x later or maybe even wait till zen 4 (gaining you ddr5 and a massive 4+ years am5 socket lifespan of upgrades). That's what I'm gonna do, even if zen 3 kills intel - my 3600 will still be capable of 4k @ 60fps for years to come with a 3080. I think your 4770 will too until zen 4 with am5.
Hope that helps
Not sure why (the cpu bottleneck benchmarks posted earlier would go against my experience) but I 100% noticed games feeling considerably smoother. That's about it.
I got it for super cheap though (sold 4770k and it cost me practically nothing - 4770k was delidded and oc'd to 4.7ghz so maybe bit quicker than 4790k).
I game mostly at 4k. This was a challenge with a 1080, even overclocked with +170 core and +700mhz memory, but I'd say the 3600 upgrade helped with maybe 1-5 fps (quite a lot when you're at 40-50fps).
In assassins creed however, it nearly gave me extra 40%... But it still ran like **** even at 1440p including my next upgrade:
I then upgraded to a 2080 (non super), which is only an extra 25% or so over the 1080 but again noticed only small uplift in fps but more smoothness. Just ironing out those 1% lows.
It's a shame I don't know how to measure 1% lows... I think that's what I experienced.
Anyway - yeah, as always, you'll gain a tiny bit from a better cpu, and a whooooole massive chunk of fps from a new gpu.
Do gpu first, for sure, then get a new ryzen zen 3 4700x later or maybe even wait till zen 4 (gaining you ddr5 and a massive 4+ years am5 socket lifespan of upgrades). That's what I'm gonna do, even if zen 3 kills intel - my 3600 will still be capable of 4k @ 60fps for years to come with a 3080. I think your 4770 will too until zen 4 with am5.
Hope that helps
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Tldr for the above: as always, cpu not really that important for high res 4k gaming, esp at sub 60fps = get a gpu now and cpu as late as you can (when your pc is not getting you to where you want to be).
Tldr for the above: as always, cpu not really that important for high res 4k gaming, esp at sub 60fps = get a gpu now and cpu as late as you can (when your pc is not getting you to where you want to be).
I suspect a lot will be those 1% lows - minimum FPS and/or overall frame pacing can (and will) be better with a new Ryzen or Intel CPU which can be noticeable even at approx. the same FPS though it shouldn't be a huge deal outside of 1-2 games that probably benefit a bit more - I guess it depends a bit on what you play.
Some of it might come from:
-Fresh new OS install (often improves things immensely - depending a bit on your housekeeping).
-Amount of background and/or other tasks - these days a 4000 series i7 may require you to close other applications, etc. while something like a Ryzen 3600 might get the same smoothness or better while other tasks are active.
Coming up to the point I'm considering upgrading my 4820K but just not being pushed over the edge yet - I suspect the quad channel on the X79 platform is providing some benefit that the 4770K might not be seeing however.
PS had a play with a 3600 + RTX2060 few days ago so not entirely wildly conjecture on my part - built quite a lot of Ryzen 2x00 systems but not had much opportunity to spend much time with the 3x00 CPUs yet.
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P. P. S - get a 4k TV with freesync/adaptive sync if that's what your pc is going into.
IIRC even nvidia supports freesync now. That's a huge performance tool.
Qled over oled because oled has been known to cause burn in which can be an issue on windows (desktop task bar eg).
IIRC even nvidia supports freesync now. That's a huge performance tool.
Qled over oled because oled has been known to cause burn in which can be an issue on windows (desktop task bar eg).
I've got lovely horizontal burn in type lines on one of my systems along the edge between the task bar and desktop background and navigation bar and web-site content in Firefox - even with using a blank screen screensaver
sadly the display is long out of warranty. To be fair it does spend a lot of time sitting static on the same screen.I've not generally had too much problem with OLED though in that regard.
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Nooooooo!! But hang on... So your burn in wasn't on an oled?I've got lovely horizontal burn in type lines on one of my systems along the edge between the task bar and desktop background and navigation bar and web-site content in Firefox - even with using a blank screen screensaver
I've not generally had too much problem with OLED though in that regard.
I've heard they're better now, but 2018 a guy in China said don't buy oled for pc as he had burn in on 2;
The first - No extra care.
I asked him if he did the colour changing wallpapers and themed windows task bar that can auto colour change using a pic from wallpaper and if he ran those "screen clearer" things that flash the colours so fast an epileptic person would be in a mess on the floor.
He said he did em and still got lines from Baidu (chinese goverment Google) and taskbar.
It is but in general I've not had that issue (I've more than one display/device that uses them) but it can happen
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I've had pcs for 30 years now so I'm very ocd with that stuff haha. If I'm running a game that's like the only thing open.... The 1990 ways you had to close everything before opening msdos haha. I absolutely hate having extra programs open. Even useful ones like custom keyboard or mouse software. Steam. Light AntiVirus. That's it.
I honestly don't think the fresh install or even extra cores/threads helped at all, yeah maybe a bit in some games like you say, but the ipc sure did for those minimums.
In SOME games though yeah the extra cores helped for sure. Like ac-origins for example. Not many games even now are making use of more than 4-6 cores. Flight sim 2020 clearly stuck at 4 lol...ffs Microsoft
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What display/devices? Windows devices?It is but in general I've not had that issue (I've more than one display/device that uses them) but it can happen
Really interested because after the rtx3080 an oled is the top of my upgrade list (far above a cpu upgrade). Or well, Qled, as advised to me.
I do like horror games and watch movies too though so like the idea of the leds giving perfect blacks on oled.
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Not really "hurting" - as already shown, at 4k/60, where the op will be gaming, the 4790s lack of power is still pretty insignificant, even when compared to a 10900k... which will probs be the case in almost every single game.
Talk about higher fps though, and this "smoothness" thing. Different story.
But yeah... Only games I can personally think of that are SUPER cpu limited that might cause an issue for op would be anno, flight sim, and assassins creed. I don't even think total war would be an issue.
Get a 6 core Xeon in that X79 rig of yours Rroff - i had an old mac pro chip that did 4.7 on very reasonable volts - you'll get one for £75
I've considered it but the only ones worth going for are the E5-1650 SR1AQ or 4930K both of which are usually £150+ from reputable sellers or the 8 core 1680 which is usually £300+. The rest don't overclock on 2011-2. Probably money better put towards a new build.
EDIT: Few cheaper ones on the bay again.
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I tried my pc at my parents house yesterday who have a 4k tv,i haven't tried any of the newest games and tbh i'm not even sure which are the most demanding as i am still quite behind with games as i took around 5 years off gaming which has worked out well as i have a nice catalog to catch up on. I was however surprised just how well my rx5700 was holding up at 4k i tried Rise of the Tomb Raider, Modern Warfare Remastered ,Gears 5 and far cry 4, I'm guessing tomb raider may be the most demanding? they all seemed to averaged between 50-60fps with most settings on high and for me not being used to anything over 60fps they played awesomely, 4k 60hz is definitely enough for me.
I wasn't sure how much of a difference i would notice going from 1080p to 4k but the difference was HUGE, especially in games like cod and far cry everything just looks so much more clear and i could see enemies clearly in the distance i could not see anywhere near as clear before, The details on the weapons and some of the scenery looked amazing. That was also going from a 42" screen to a 55" so now sure how much the screen size played in that but for me Far cry which i am really enjoying at the moment looked immense at 4k it felt so much more submersive, it was genuinely comparable to trying VR for the first time i was not expecting it to look so much better, I can't wait to finish far cry 4 and play far cry 5 now.
100% Going to upgrade the GPU first, if i find its not enough for the latest most demanding games i'll just upgrade everything else when i can, Super excited having got a taste of 4k now though, even 4k videos i watched on YouTube was another new world. Scared to try playing at 120hz or more now incase the same thing happens, i don't think i could be happy with 1080p again now.
I wasn't sure how much of a difference i would notice going from 1080p to 4k but the difference was HUGE, especially in games like cod and far cry everything just looks so much more clear and i could see enemies clearly in the distance i could not see anywhere near as clear before, The details on the weapons and some of the scenery looked amazing. That was also going from a 42" screen to a 55" so now sure how much the screen size played in that but for me Far cry which i am really enjoying at the moment looked immense at 4k it felt so much more submersive, it was genuinely comparable to trying VR for the first time i was not expecting it to look so much better, I can't wait to finish far cry 4 and play far cry 5 now.
100% Going to upgrade the GPU first, if i find its not enough for the latest most demanding games i'll just upgrade everything else when i can, Super excited having got a taste of 4k now though, even 4k videos i watched on YouTube was another new world. Scared to try playing at 120hz or more now incase the same thing happens, i don't think i could be happy with 1080p again now.
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These bottlenecking discussions are kind of hilarious: yes, you will get more fps from having a faster CPU with a new GPU.
But would you really want to buy a weaker GPU now just because your CPU is older when you could just buy the best GPU within your budget (which will always give more performance than the lower end cards) and then upgrade your CPU and motherboard later to get over that bottlenecking for another boost?
The alternative just seems silly to me: buying a weaker card then having to rebuild everything later and losing money on the GPU resale as well.
But would you really want to buy a weaker GPU now just because your CPU is older when you could just buy the best GPU within your budget (which will always give more performance than the lower end cards) and then upgrade your CPU and motherboard later to get over that bottlenecking for another boost?
The alternative just seems silly to me: buying a weaker card then having to rebuild everything later and losing money on the GPU resale as well.
I sold mine on here for £85 after i scratched the memory pathways(??) on my mobo. I was gutted!! i loved my rampage formula 4.
The 7700k does fall behind a bit in a few games, in my experience at 1440p, with a 7700k@5ghz in certain game modes the 7700k just ***** itself every now and then.
The 4770k and 4970k get around 50fps (min. not average FPS) in challenging games like FF Shadowbringers, regardless of resolution. Other, perhaps better optimized games like Red Dead Redemption 2 get a minimum of 60 fps.
Strategy games which tax CPUs heavily - like pretty much all modern Total War games should also see a large benefit from upgrading to a CPU like the i7 9700k (or newer).
AMD's Zen CPUs could easily overtake or equl Intel perf. this year, they would only need about a 10% IPC boost vs the current gen in single threaded performance. Definately a good idea to wait for this as new CPUs will be announced very soon.
If you game at a higher fps than 60, at a lower res, a CPU upgrade would give you a boost.
If you can upgrade cheaply by the end of October, id say it could be worth it. Much better to wait until next year for DDR 5 to be released though, if you are gonna bother to replace the whole system.
Strategy games which tax CPUs heavily - like pretty much all modern Total War games should also see a large benefit from upgrading to a CPU like the i7 9700k (or newer).
AMD's Zen CPUs could easily overtake or equl Intel perf. this year, they would only need about a 10% IPC boost vs the current gen in single threaded performance. Definately a good idea to wait for this as new CPUs will be announced very soon.
If you game at a higher fps than 60, at a lower res, a CPU upgrade would give you a boost.
If you can upgrade cheaply by the end of October, id say it could be worth it. Much better to wait until next year for DDR 5 to be released though, if you are gonna bother to replace the whole system.
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