How the Towers Fell?

Glaucus · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:03

Doohickey said:
Originally from here
http://www.newsday.com/news/health/ny-hsair0911,0,471193.story?coll=ny-homepage-right-area

The article does say that

CTs argue that if this is the case, how come it has never been sampled before? Can't be that unusual a material if it's from burning plastics.

Debunking sites seem to just reiterate the above quote, but I can't find any explanations on why it has never been sampled before, in other office fires, for example.

Probably because it's never been tested for.

But also in that link

Fires at Ground Zero smoldered for three months and reached temperatures as high as 1,800 degrees,

Thats certainly hot enough to weaken steel.

TriedandTested · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:04

It's also the events after the collapse that lead me to believe the government was involved. Amazing how fantastically well it has worked out for so many of those in power. People have made billions of dollars out of this tradgedy, and continue to do so.

Night all!

Glaucus · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:04

Werewolf said:
A bit like those buildings in London they are currently demolishing, from the ground floor up, the design is such that the structural strength comes from the roof or something, so the floors have to be removed starting at the bottom leaving the central column

Got any links on that, that sounds like a good read.

Glaucus · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:05

Tried&Tested said:
It's also the events after the collapse that lead me to believe the government was involved. Amazing how fantastically well it has worked out for so many of those in power. People have made billions of dollars out of this tradgedy, and continue to do so.

Night all!

WHat do you expect, governments always make the best of a bad situation.

Doohickey · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:06

AcidHell2 said:
Probably because it's never been tested for.

Perhaps I'm just picking at words now, but I still think it's relevant; surely it's a bit of a redundant remark to make

We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done,

if you're saying they've never looked for it before? If I'm making any sense

Glaucus · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:08

Doohickey said:
Perhaps I'm just picking at words now, but I still think it's relevant; surely it's a bit of a redundant remark to make

if you're saying they've never looked for it before? If I'm making any sense

Your making sense, but if you read the entire article, they have never experienced such a complex chemical signature.

Everything in a skyscraper, burning, vaporising from both plane and building. Will make lots of funky chemicals which it did.

one scientist characterized as a "chemical factory" that brewed new compounds. One effect was a sort of mini-ozone hole phenomenon, in which chlorinated compounds scavenged hydrogen and other atoms off neighboring molecules, transforming them into volatile gases.

Lots of odd things can happen, in new situations.

Doohickey · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:13

AcidHell2 said:
Got any links on that, that sounds like a good read.

Oooh, I go past something like this nearly everyday (when I'm at uni)

The one I'm thinking of is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/122_Leadenhall_Street

And it does look very strange like that. Cool though

Tefal · 13 Aug 2007 at 02:24

Tried&Tested said:
It's also the events after the collapse that lead me to believe the government was involved. Amazing how fantastically well it has worked out for so many of those in power. People have made billions of dollars out of this tradgedy, and continue to do so.

Night all!

But the resulting war on terror an Iraq invasion which people say was the reason has pretty much destroyed any remaining faith in the bush government, sort of a catastrophic back fire.

But the people who made money would be private not government wouldn't
they? Surely with this many people involved someone would have leaked it by now to the press for a hefty sum of dosh before retiring to a non extradition treaty country?

SexyGreyFox · 13 Aug 2007 at 07:08

Being a conspiracy theorist myself, theres one thing I can't get my head round.

Did Bush plant the bombs, wait for Al Queda to fly the planes into the Towers and then he pressed the button at the same time?
Al Queda admitted it was them who flew the planes or has Bush got a secret mind device that makes Muslims own up to stuff?
If Bush has got this device why hasn't he made Al Queda own up to planting bombs?

Sometimes conspiracy theories don't knit together well but I still believe.

Jokester · 13 Aug 2007 at 07:30

Gillywibble said:
That contradicts the official reports that the collapses were caused by fire, not kinetic energy.

Sorry, I meant the buildings were not designed to withstand what was effectively another building being dropped on them from above.

The fire was what caused them to collapse. It was what ultimately caused the damaged section to collapse under the weight of the top section of the WTC. Once the collapse had started nothing much was going to stop it.

Jokester

magick · 13 Aug 2007 at 07:42

9/11 was definitely 'orchestrated' by covert forces within the government and the towers were brought down by controlled demolition I think. Alex Jones in Terrorstorm and David Icke in the DVD 'Freedom Or Fascism' make very good cases as to how and why these attacks were carried out.

Unfortunately, and judging by many of the replies here, most people are dumb and believe whatever the government and it's PR machine, the corporate media, want them to. Still for the sheeple, ignorance is bliss as they say.

It really isn't worth debating on these forums what really happened because most people will just 'repeat' what the reporters have repeated to them from the governments officialy repeated version of events. Try these forums :-

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/index.php
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/

And also if any of you really think theres no truth to the conspiracy movement watch this.

Jokester · 13 Aug 2007 at 07:44

Re WTC7, what impact would raging fires have on any pre-installed explosive charges and the associated wiring?

Jokester

Doohickey · 13 Aug 2007 at 08:02

magick said:
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Oh tell me you did not just point us in the direction of a David Icke forum.... :rolleyes:

magick · 13 Aug 2007 at 08:04

Doohickey said:
Oh tell me you did not just point us in the direction of a David Icke forum....

I tell you what Doohickey, David Icke talks far more sense and truth about the world than the people who blindly denounce him.

iCraig · 13 Aug 2007 at 09:08

Tried&Tested said:
no doubt you'll fob these off as air pressure, but when some of these are going of 10s of floors below the actual destruction your point won't hold up.

Why does it not hold up? They don't have to be the floor right below. The floors are heavily connected with pipes, ventilation ducts, elevator shafts etc, so lower floors experiencing a change in air pressure as the upper floors pulverise downwards isn't odd at all.

I'll humour you though. Let's say for the sake of argument that they're not air pressure blowing out the windows.

What are they? Demolition explosions?

The building is already in "free fall" collapse as CTs put it, so setting off little explosive puffs is doing what exactly? Are you suggesting that those are aiding the towers fall? :eek:

If one of those didn't go off on floor number X, would the collapse suddenly stop?

monkeygremlin · 13 Aug 2007 at 09:23

magick said:
I tell you what Doohickey, David Icke talks far more sense and truth about the world than the people who blindly denounce him.

We are talking about the same David Icke who said that the world is ruled by a secret race of Lizard men, aren't we? :rolleyes:

iCraig · 13 Aug 2007 at 09:30

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax.[3][4] In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

It sounds like one of Dan Brown's novels until he goes on to reptiles being the leaders. Then it sounds more like the diary of a mental patient. You know the kind, plans of world domination written in biro on the back of a packet of fags.

However I do reckon that Eddie Izzard is a reptile. I have proof.

A.) Izzard? Add an L and remove a Z. Lizard. Coincidence?

B.) He looks like a lizard.

magick · 13 Aug 2007 at 09:37

iCraig to the best of my knowledge David Icke has never linked the elder protocols of zion to the illuminati.

iCraig · 13 Aug 2007 at 09:42

What do you think about his theory on reptiles being our overlords?

magick · 13 Aug 2007 at 09:51

iCraig said:
What do you think about his theory on reptiles being our overlords?

Well I believe in the reptilians though i'm not to sure if the queen and gwb are reptilians though, but at the same time I don't rule the possiblity out. I also believe that the reptilians may to some degree or another, directly or indirectly exert some influence on this planet.

littlegymm said:
From what it seems, you really need to understand a lot about the spirituality aspect of things to understand the nature of a reptilian. Last year, when I was introduced to David Icke, and the other leaders in the the expose of global conspiracy, like Alex Jones, and other guys like him, I was only interested in secrets of the dollar, and the freemasons, and the templars and all that stuff. After reading the biggest secret which I've taken my sweet ass time with(I'm a slow reader, and I don't read it everyday inorder to digest the dense information), after reading it, I've really been captivated by the spirituality side of the material.

When David Icke refers to the 4th dimension, he doesn't mean the scientific 4th dimension, as in space-time, he literally means another plane of consciousness higher than ours. The brain is a perfect cross between science and spirit, and the reptilians have risen to a higher plane of existence than we have. Each plane of existence has different levels of frequencies which your body resonates, and everything I've read regarding these new-age spiritual Ideals, which do seem to be far more old-age than anything, involve entities from higher planes of existence. People don't see these reptoids because their minds are not vibrating at a frequency which allows them to contact 4th dimensional beings. Left-brain technology, like video cameras, couldn't attain video of these beings because they are machine, and are non-spiritual.

However, like David Icke says, which seems to receive much ridicule, is that when the reptoids drink blue-eyed, blonde-haired blood they shapeshift and can stay in the 3rd dimension which is when people see them. But for the most part, they operate from a higher plane of consciousness in which they are trapped because the fear and manipulation has disallowed them to further expansion. To learn more about the dimensional stuff, and planes of existence, check out some of the books by Bob Frissell. I'm reading his 3rd book right now. They're short and easy reads, I highly suggest them.