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How to convince myself to go red

Jono8 said:
That is a silly way of looking at it. What if the gtx 670 you buy is a terrible overclocker, but the 680 that you might have bought instead was a great clocker. You then might have had spent more but got a card a good 30% faster. Obviously the opposite might happen and you could have saved a decent amount but it is all just a lottery.

Therefore it's only really worth comparing them stock for stock in my opinion(unless it's a factory overclock).

Therefore the 770 is a decent amount faster than a 7950. Even a 660ti or 760 can match a stock 7950.
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I see your point, but the reference 7950 is underclocked - AMD wanted to show off low power usage (especially compared to things like the GTX 580) as launch. I doubt anyone would buy one that isn't factory overclocked, aside from the appalling reference cooler. NVIDIA tends to release cards with higher reference clocks and less OC headroom -- obviously this isn't a rule, but it's more typical than not with recent AMD cards.
 
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teppic said:
I see your point, but the reference 7950 is underclocked - AMD wanted to show off low power usage (especially compared to things like the GTX 580) as launch. I doubt anyone would buy one that isn't factory overclocked, aside from the appalling reference cooler. NVIDIA tends to release cards with higher reference clocks and less OC overhead -- obviously this isn't a rule, but it's more typical than not with recent AMD cards.
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Good luck finding a 7950 reference card, those things are like gold dust these days. :p
 
Martini1991 said:
Wasn't the case when it was touted AMD had better IQ.

Although, you've said colours may look slightly different, that would effect the IQ, one could certainly have better IQ than the other due to better colours........
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eddyr said:
The whole Nvidia/AMD IQ thing appears to be due with colour saturation (so I recall reading). Having used both side's cards that seems to resonate.
I also remember reading (seperately) that there is a difference (acclimatisation/cultural- however you wish to describe it as opposed to anything intrinsic) between asian and western preferences towards colour saturation with us preferring or used to more 'vibrant' colour. How true is it or even relevant I couldn't say but it is interesting to note.
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I couldn't help notice AMD has post processing stuff on by default that artificially causes colours to appear more vibrant. It's the same gimmicks on tv's if you don't calibrate. Dynamic contrast, deep blacks and so on. There's only one colour standard. D65.

I turn that stuff off as it causes video levels to look crushed and too vibrant. Then hardware calibrate the display. Thats when I learned a year ago the default settings AMD have on screwed with the colorimeter. Some purple like blues came out wrong and so on as it was messing with the lower colours.

titaniumx3 said:
Going from a 5870 to 580, I noticed no difference in colours, image crispness, etc.

I think people need to read about placebo.
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It's horrible when the newness wears off. Including a full kit of hardware as it stinks out the room for 4 - 5 days including monitors.
 
V F said:
I couldn't help notice AMD has post processing stuff on by default that artificially causes colours to appear more vibrant. It's the same gimmicks on tv's if you don't calibrate. Dynamic contrast, deep blacks and so on. There's only one colour standard. D65.

I turn that stuff off as it causes video levels to look crushed and too vibrant. Then hardware calibrate the display. Thats when I learned a year ago the default settings AMD have on screwed with the colorimeter. Some purple like blues came out wrong and so on as it was messing with the lower colours.



It's horrible when the newness wears off. Including a full kit of hardware as it stinks out the room for 4 - 5 days including monitors.
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No one was talking about the Hardware assisted video playback.
 
Then why was it messing with the colour profiles and others talking of better colour on the desktop if it's not related?
 
fanboy said:
I wish i could say the same for Nvidia but they have issues with scaling for HDTV's as i have a whole pile of Nvidia cards and the only one that scales right is a 460GTX 768Mb but the colors are awful compared to AMD ... My 560GTX will not scale right on a 24" HDTV.
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ccityinstaller said:
I seriously thought I was the only one who thought that..I have used both brands going all the way back to the Riva TNT I owned (GF2,3, 4600TI, 7600GO, 8800GT 1GB(rare) GTX 480) and on the AMD side 9600XT, 9800PRO AIW (G.O.A.T!!!)1800XT, 1950Pro, 4850, and now MSI TF3 7950...

I have always thought that the AMD cards have better color repication, especially on HDTV's as you mentioned (which is what my main LCD is, see sig)...With the GTX 480, the HDMI black level patch helped a tiny bit, but not anywhere near as nice as the AMD card...My LCD is professionally calibrated, and uses a S-IPS panel, so it has excellent color replication..
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1772448
 
V F said:
Then why was it messing with the colour profiles and others talking of better colour on the desktop if it's not related?
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It does not on mine and has, Video post processing and and colour temp, and desktop colour are 3 different things.
 
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@Op,

pay the Nvidia premium or go bbfb, it's your choice.

On the colour issue, AMD is more vivid on the default settings, but both can be manually set to similar IQ.

Kaapstad said:
I think the GTX 770s have the edge on the Heaven 4 bench (which is all about GPU grunt).
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That's but one bench Kap, Neil's ~£400 uber 70 is a cracker too, what about the other benchies like Firestrike?

Where does the 770 sit on them?:D

Not much performance difference in comparison to ~£200 oc'ed 7950's.



I wonder what the new advanced lighting effects on BF4 are going to use?

Gpu grunt?
Shaders?
Vram/bus?

Or combinations of all the above?;)
 
Final8y said:
You mentioned post processing which is only applied to video which is the first thing i turn off.
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I also said colorimeter. You said you didn't have that problem. Hence why I said what did you use.

Final8y said:
It does not on mine and has, Video post processing and and colour temp, and desktop colour are 3 different things.
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Some people still spoke of better colour on the desktop, so what are we talking about if they aren't talking about this?

Well, Battlefield 3 uses the calibrated profile. As does many games. Only Crysis and several older ones seem to ignore it.
 
V F said:
I also said colorimeter. You said you didn't have that problem. Hence why I said what did you use.



Some people still spoke of better colour on the desktop, so what are we talking about if they aren't talking about this?

Well, Battlefield 3 uses the calibrated profile. As does many games. Only Crysis and several older ones seem to ignore it.
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I use an X-rite Eye One Display2.

And the point is the calibration of the monitor is irrelevant, people are saying that they notice a difference out of the box when using one brand of card over another.
 
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I think the original update has clocks of 800/925, but most (if not all) released cards will be a bit higher at stock.
 
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