How to find out if a property is ex-council?

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 19:59

ElRazur said:
It is a coucil property, it should be. I dont see what the problem is. If he is that bothered...get on to the council property..simple as.

Getting a council property is far from simple. Unless you are a jobless single mother or something anyway.

Council rents where I live are at least 50% below private sector rents.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:00

Rob43 said:
What do you wan't council tenants to do,write to the local council asking for rent increases

They set the rent & we pay it,simple

Obviously i would not expect you to ask for a rent increase, thats ridiculous. In a lot of people's minds though including a few people in this very thread, you are a leecher to society, though. That rent is clearly not market value and thus you are being subsidised by others.

Can you not see why people are annoyed at having to support others?

ElRazur · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:01

dirtydog said:
Getting a council property is far from simple. Unless you are a jobless single mother or something anyway.

Council rents where I live are at least 50% below private sector rents.

Agreed but then he can always go on a dole and claim homelessness if he really wants to get on to it.

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:01

dirtydog said:
Getting a council property is far from simple. Unless you are a jobless single mother or something anyway.
.

Can't disagree with you there

dirtydog · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:01

ElRazur said:
Agreed but then he can always go on a dole and claim homelessness if he really wants to get on to it.

That won't guarantee you a council place either, even assuming he didn't make himself voluntarily homeless.

ElRazur · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:02

Jez said:
Obviously i would not expect you to ask for a rent increase, thats ridiculous. In a lot of people's minds though including a few people in this very thread, you are a leecher to society, though. That rent is clearly not market value and thus you are being subsidised by others.

Can you not see why people are annoyed at having to support others?

Does he make the rules? Does he sets the price? All no. Hate the game not the player. Do i see him as a blood sucking leech? Hell no!

ElRazur · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:03

dirtydog said:
That won't guarantee you a council place either, even assuming he didn't make himself voluntarily homeless.

Do that, get someone pregnant, have plenty of baby mothers....do whatever you can legally to get one.

Raymond Lin · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:03

do a land registry search, cost you £4.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:06

Jez said:
In a lot of people's minds though including a few people in this very thread, you are a leecher to society, though. That rent is clearly not market value and thus you are being subsidised by others.

Can you not see why people are annoyed at having to support others?

How are other people supporting him? Since when did tax cover his home?

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:07

ElRazur said:
Does he make the rule? Does he sets the price? All no. Hate the game not the player. Do i see him as a blood sucking leech? Hell no!

I agree to an extent, i dislike the government for the system. And while i cannot blame the players of the system, it doesnt exactly make me think favourably of them

In my eyes they should have not started a family without having the necessary financial backing in place beforehand, they have put themselves in that situation and only they are to blame. I am 21, i have had very little outside help, yet i still bring in a decent amount of money, have my own detached house (admittidly rented, but i am saving a LOT of money for a purchase very soon) in a nice countrified area, a fair amount of land, and i have never leeched from anyone. What makes anyone else any different? Why should they leech from hard working individuals like myself who are making their own way in life without relying on subsidies from the government to help them?

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:09

Jez said:
Obviously i would not expect you to ask for a rent increase, thats ridiculous. In a lot of people's minds though including a few people in this very thread, you are a leecher to society, though. That rent is clearly not market value and thus you are being subsidised by others.

Can you not see why people are annoyed at having to support others?

I find this remark to be pretty offensive tbh. I have worked & paid tax since i was 16,for the last 23 years in fact & my missus works & pays tax as well.I am far from a leecher to society

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:10

Rob43 said:
I find this remard to be pretty offensive tbh. I have worked & paid tax since i was 16,for the last 23 years.I am far from a leecher to society

While i appreciate you have paid everything that has been asked of you, you have been living below market value for that entire time. Your debt to society will be fairly large. As i said in my previous post, while i cannot really blame the players of the system for playing, it does cause bad feeling within myself, and others.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:11

Jez said:
While i appreciate you have paid everything that has been asked of you, you have been living below market value for that entire time. Your debt to society will be fairly large.

So bloody what if it's below market value? How does that make him a leecher?

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:13

$loth said:
So bloody what if it's below market value? How does that make him a leecher?

Please read my last 2 replies, that question has been answered. Leeching is a term used to describe people sapping resource from others.

ElRazur · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:14

Jez said:
I agree to an extent, i dislike the government for the system. And while i cannot blame the players of the system, it doesnt exactly make me think favourably of them

I see what you are saying and I belive you do have a point but how well does it go down when put up against these set of questions -

Should hainvg a children be regulated (perhaps like china) Or should society dictate when one can have kids or not.

As an advanced country, should we Ignore the poor or those in a less desirable postion because "we feel it is their own doing?"

Also a caring society wouldnt call its care duty "a leech off others"...Do you agree?

I am in the same boat as you and It dosent bother me one bit. If what they are doing is illegal then perhaps...

Rob43 · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:14

Some of us are not born with a silver spoon in our mouth mate,we have to live by the cards we are dealt

I do consider myself to be a decent member of society. I can see the point you are trying to make

First time i've ever been called a leecher in my life & an pretty angry about it

What would you have all council tenants do in this country to put it right in your opinion then ?

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:16

Jez said:
Please read my last 2 replies, that question has been answered. Leeching is a term used to describe people sapping resource from others.

And who are the 'others'? He has a wife and kids, surely that makes him a lot more eligable for affordable housing than others.

Jez said:
In my eyes they should have not started a family without having the necessary financial backing in place beforehand, they have put themselves in that situation and only they are to blame.

And how do you know that he didn't have financial backing before hand? He said that he's been renting for 20 years, council housing was a lot more available 20 years ago.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:21

Rob43 said:
Some of us are not born with a silver spoon in our mouth mate,we have to live by the cards we are dealt I do consider myself to be a decent member of society. I can see the point you are trying to make

First time i've ever been called a leecher in my life & an pretty angry about it

What would you have all council tenants do in this country to put it right in your opinion then ?

While my parents are wealthy, they have provided very little financial help, my father has always believed that his children must make their own way. Only when i am much older will i reap the rewards of his hard work in the form of inheritance. Had i been given large handouts i would not have the opinion of council tenants that i do.

Re the second point, do you honestly believe that £58pw is market value for a 2 bedroom flat, even in Scotland? Thats only just over £200pm, thats very very cheap.

Re the third, i have no idea, i am not a politician and i have no idea what i'd do. The situation is such that it would be impossible to simply demand market value rent for all council property, but that would be my ultimate long term aim.

alexakasloth · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:22

Jez said:
The situation is such that it would be impossible to simply demand market value rent for all council property, but that would be my ultimate long term aim.

That defeats the point of council housing.

Jez · 31 Jan 2007 at 20:23

$loth said:
That defeats the point of council housing.

.......thats precisely the aim :confused: