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This a million times.
Nope it isn't but it's been the cause of a lot of conflict for a long long time and I'm sure it will be for a long long time.
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No but you can't have one without the other. They are mutually inclusive.
Humans are the cause conflict and will continue to be so until they cease to exist....how that conflict manifests or justifies itself is immaterial.
You certainly can have Faith without Religion.
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Individually, perhaps, but not on a societal level.
Thanks for generalising all conflict.
Of course all Humans cause conflict including religious conflicts after all what's a religion without followers? Killing in the name of a God has caused a lot of death throughout history and it will continue to.
People killing for greed, to me, is somewhat understandable albeit awful, the reason for doing so has sense (to me). "I want more money/land, I'll take it by force".
"My God says I should kill people who don't believe" or
"another religion is taking a lot of the followers of my religion so I'll put an end to it". Those reasons seem stupid and illogical to me but then I'm an atheist whereas a theist may find them logical, please take note theists that I'm not tarring you all with the same brush I don't believe that all of you would find that justifiable especially as a lot of religions contradict what some people do in the name of certain religions.
Society manifests Faith is all kinds of ways, from manifestations of Family, Friends, Communities to Organisations, Politics, Ideologies, knowledge and so on....in fact Faith is a manifestation of Society.
Euthanase half the population.
Start with the dregs of society and the poverty stricken in all corners of the globe.
No more poverty
No more crime
More space
More resources
Less drain on the economy
WIN?
"We could do with another big war, it'll solve all our problems"
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Whilst I agree with you on this point, would there be less conflict without quite so many excuses? This is rhetorical BTW.
I'm not sure you can tbh.
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I think you might have a slightly broader definition of faith than myself in this context.
And do you honestly believe that? Really?
I believe sometimes there are much worse reasons for conflict than others.
No worse that you generalising the justifications of some conflicts as being caused by religion...when in fact most religious conflicts, and in fact most human conflict generally is caused by aspects of Human Nature..most commonly greed and power. Religion is simply another justification for the underlying factor of human nature, not a cause.
I'm pretty sure you can, within limits, nothing is absolute, but I do believe it is possible for people to have faith in their own community.
You cant fix the world, that would mean geneticaly engineering and replacing humans.
And this, humans need faith, it very much seems built it. It just doesnt need to be religion, it can be all sorts of things, but it does very much seem like a need for faith is very much part of our DNA.
And this, humans need faith, it very much seems built it. It just doesnt need to be religion, it can be all sorts of things, but it does very much seem like a need for faith is very much part of our DNA.
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I don't think that peace would be all it's cracked up to be.. (humor me for a minute)..
With peace there is no fear and without fear there is no 'need' for faith/unity and community..
This Fear (and tradegy is some respects) is what brings people together, knowing that they are not alone.. Having that weakness in common can/will unite people..
Thats my take on it anyway.
With peace there is no fear and without fear there is no 'need' for faith/unity and community..
This Fear (and tradegy is some respects) is what brings people together, knowing that they are not alone.. Having that weakness in common can/will unite people..
Thats my take on it anyway.
So you don't think that there has ever been a single conflict caused by religion? Because if you believe one ever has been what you've just said makes no sense. And if you don't think a single conflict has ever been caused by religion then I don't know what to say.
Most conflict isn't probably caused by a single event rather by a lot of factors contributing to the straw breaking the camels back, however there are big, and more important factors that contribute and I think that sometimes religion is one of them. However I do agree with you that I think that the vast majority of all conflict spawns from greed.