how useful is a computing degree, honestly

As someone with a degree in computer science with software engineering, i shall mention that it has gotten me: nowhere. i was taken on for my first job due to the stuff i taught myself in my spare time, experience > degree on that front. for my second, current job, same story.

i think in any discipline where it's readily possible to demonstrate ability through experience, that will be more important than a degree any day. of course, try to get into a place where you /need/ degree-level understanding of sub-atomic physics, say (or trying to get into a much larger, more formalised mainstream company, maybe), and the degree route is more likely to be the way forward, so i'm not putting 'experience > degree' as a blanket formula, here.
 
Just started uni after forcing myself here because i felt like its something i needed to do. however the more time i spend here the less i am enjoying myself and im finding myself in a position where i feel like i could easily walk out; go back to where im from and get a job.

im not going to make any hasty decisions but i feel like i may well be wasting my time here

your thoughts?

people who don't go to university don't learn how to think and behave properly, which is why large prestigious companies require degrees.
 
Honestly sniffy, this thread is not worth it:o

Shame really. The thread started good, I found people's insights helpful. I'm at a point where I'm deciding if to go to uni to do a computing degree so this could have been a great thread :(
 
Shame really. The thread started good, I found people's insights helpful. I'm at a point where I'm deciding if to go to uni to do a computing degree so this could have been a great thread :(

A couple of us tried and failed, but personally I just got insulted as did others.

All the best though sniffy :) You can check out prospects.ac.uk for a look at the job front.

Davem
 
A couple of us tried and failed, but personally I just got insulted as did others.

All the best though sniffy :) You can check out prospects.ac.uk for a look at the job front.

Davem

well personally i benefitted greatly from it, it just got sidetracked and got a bit unpleasant which i think is a shame.

i guess it was inevitable though because whatever people chose, it was a life choice, so clearly they'll feel strongly about it
 
It depends on the course your doing and the job and career you wish to aim for. I didn't go to Uni as it wasn't for me (had all six places offered). If you are going to do a real technical math or science based computer course, that's great. If its just run of the mill watered down generic 'computing', don't bother. It is far better to do a year in an entry level job to get a feel for it and progress into the area you find interesting.
 
If I was intelligent enough to do real computer science and pursue a career doing that I probably would but I don't think I am. Programming either hardware or software on a reasonably basic level to start of would be good for me but it seems to get your foot in most doors you need that degree.
 
well personally i benefitted greatly from it, it just got sidetracked and got a bit unpleasant which i think is a shame.

i guess it was inevitable though because whatever people chose, it was a life choice, so clearly they'll feel strongly about it

Joe I'm sure you'll make the right choice fella. But you should try and decide netween AI and consulting before you make your UCAS choices because it'll make a real difference. As you've probably seen on my posts on CS and Maths people don't agree like you say, you have to decide what you want, but its a tricky business. There is no universal right or wrong, you have to decide yourself. Good luck mate!

My MSN in is my trust, and if I cant help on a certain area of CS I can put you in touch with someone who does.


Cheers

Davem
It was a really good thread for a while! Cheers for posting it :)
 
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meh, i ended up doing a foundation year, and 2 years of the course and not gone back to repeat the 2nd year. complete waste of time, the foundation year was a joke, i was done by november, didn't do any work till almost may , 2 days reading before each exam and i passed very very easily. then first year of degree, computer science, 3 of the 6 modules all but identical to the foundation year, just as easy, just as pathetic, took just as long to do and i passed easily by doing a couple months work and another few days reading before exams.

degree's have apparently turned into complete jokes. its mostly this government crap thats been slowly making uni and schools much more restricitive and pointless over the years. hmm, how do i win an election with education stats in the toilet, i know, introduce tests that are fairly easy to give some stats to use. people suck at the tests as the tests as they should be, are random questions on a large area of info people learn, its natural for some people to learn some area's well and others not as well which can lead to results that aren't great. so to remedy this we've had a decade of hugely narrowing learning area's so the questions in tests are basically all directly learnt and not much else. which increases test scores but we are doing massively less work overall with everyone learning identical stuff.

my course was so insanely boring and easy , that i spent two years dossing around and passed with ease. now the 2nd year of the degree wasn't any more difficult at all, but i was so completely and entirely frustrated, bored, angry with money being spent and got very unlucky with moving in with great friends, who i really like, but just can not live with. loud, irritating, arguments, messy. i had a hell of a two years. all this added up to last year spent sleeping in the day when people were out, partying at night, ditching all my lectures because for two years they'd been worthless and essentially giving up.

i swear to christ i've learnt in 3 years what i could have learnt in the first 4 months of my foundation year, had i been given the work to do. brunel by the way, is NOT the place to go to uni for anything, but if you must make sure its a engineering(non computer) course. awful area, 1 club, no where to go, nothing to do, a stones through away from london as advertised, thats a 90 min train trip to central area's of expensive drinking and expensive cabs back or 2 hour nightbus's.


so i had a particularly awful time with uni, but, if you've got any kind of brain i would say, go get any work, learn c++ or java if you must on your own, quicker, without being limited. i also got completely done over by "over learning" what i was asked off in the foundation year, which was most of the extra i was apparently going to be doing in the first year of the degree, making it even more boring. then the extra work i did to stay mildly interested in the 1st year of the degree, was stuff i then didn't need to learn in the 2nd year, which just led to being even more bored.

i can fully understand that going to a better uni, somewhere you like and getting in a house with like minded people and your house ends up great, is a completely different experience.
 
people who don't go to university don't learn how to think and behave properly, which is why large prestigious companies require degrees.

I don't think I've ever heard anything so stupid in my life. Perhaps uni does (or at least should) teach you how to think to some extent, but it does in no way teach you how to behave. Uni is for learning a subject in great detail. It doesn't teach you how to do a job (well I suppose some courses do, but only a few) and it doesn't teach you how to live in the real world.
 
experiance > uni in my opinion, i dodged the whole uni thing because i didnt want the fees it came with, went out and got a job in computing instead and im willing to bet that my CV with what ive learnt through experiance will benefit me far more than a degree would

im now 20 with a fiance and a mortgage, if i went to uni id still be there bumming around with a boring part time job to pay fees and no doubt no fiance either :)

perhaps the choice works differently for other people who are a bit more unsure or less capable of going straight into full time work though
 
I have never seen such a job advert.
Count yourself lucky. Maybe it's because I'm in London, but even "Junior Technicians" with £21k salaries often have "You will have a 1st Degree in a such and such subject" yet when I applied for them anyway, they didn't care that I don't even have any a-levels.
 
As someone with a degree in computer science with software engineering, i shall mention that it has gotten me: nowhere. i was taken on for my first job due to the stuff i taught myself in my spare time, experience > degree on that front. for my second, current job, same story.

While your degree did not help with any aspects of your job, was it a requirement of the job applications? i.e. did the job spec ask for degree educated or equivalent? The reason I ask is that, while I agree it is often the case that you learn more elsewheres that helps in the real world than you do on the degree, the degree is the members card to join the good job club in so many cases.

The other thing for people considering whether to do a degree or not to remember is that if degrees are becoming more and more worthless and any Tom, Dick or Harry can get one, then more and more employers are going to expect people to have them. The dumbing down of qualifications does not mean you shouldn't bother, quite the opposite in fact, that you will need one with a good mark to stand out from the crowd.

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im now 20 with a fiance and a mortgage, if i went to uni id still be there bumming around with a boring part time job to pay fees and no doubt no fiance either

I'm delighted for you, really I am. Uni is not for everyone and it is really cool that you're settled with a nice job and I'm sure a wonderful fiancée (I assumed you meant fiancée and not a mis-spelling of finance!)

I also don't know what you do in the computing industry, but do you still expect to be better off than the graduate your age when you're both 25? A typical graduate with a good consultancy firm in London (the only market I can talk about with some knowledge) can expect to get perhaps £22K as a starting salary and see their salary increase by 10% year on year for the first four years as they do well and prove themselves. So by the time they're 25 they're earning somewhere just over £30K. While money isn't everything (I'm sure you are and always will be very happy) if that is a driver for someone I can't see the graduate coming off worse expect the first couple of years.
 
I also don't know what you do in the computing industry, but do you still expect to be better off than the graduate your age when you're both 25? A typical graduate with a good consultancy firm in London (the only market I can talk about with some knowledge) can expect to get perhaps £22K as a starting salary and see their salary increase by 10% year on year for the first four years as they do well and prove themselves. So by the time they're 25 they're earning somewhere just over £30K. While money isn't everything (I'm sure you are and always will be very happy) if that is a driver for someone I can't see the graduate coming off worse expect the first couple of years.

well i dont live anywhere near london so i dont expect to be on £30k by 25 ;) but i do hope to be on £20-25k by 25, aim for £30k by 30, where i live living isnt anywhere near as expensive as london, and im within range to get jobs in cheltenham, gloucester, swindon etc so theres still a lot of possibilities

i neither expect or dont expect to be on better money than a graduate, i dont think it matters whether you have a degree or not, i think as long as you have something under your belt (preferably experiance OR a degree) then its dependent entirely on how the person chooses to pursue there career rise, afterall things dont happen if you dont do something about it yourself

i dont disagree that a degree is helpful, a degree + experiance and your well on your way BUT in my opinion the amount of time it takes and the money it costs outweighs the benefits

sorry if i came accross arrogant or anything with the whole fiance + mortgage thing, im just in a good mood because i finally move into my new place tomorow after a damn long wait :)
 
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