HSBC Problem

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I need a little assistance.

On Monday evening I phoned up the HSBC phone banking service to order an international bank draft, made payable to the "Department Of Homeland Security" (for a US visa application fee). The Scottish guy on the phone was very friendly, very helpful and caused me no problems at all (at the time). He informed me that the charge for the international draft would be £15. It's a bit of a harsh charge I thought, but I agreed to it anyway out of necessity. Now, I made it clear to him that I needed the payee to be exactly how i've written it above, as I don't want even the slightest chance of something going wrong.
Cut to today.
The draft arrives in the post (half-in my letterbox with "Signed For" postage but not signed by me :rolleyes: ). The draft has been hand written absolutely terribly, it is barely legible in places. Also, the payee was abbreviated to "Dept Of Homeland Security", when I had asked for this to not be done. I know it may be nit-picking, but this is important to me and i'll get charged by the US Embassy if they won't accept the draft. Something else caught my attention too, the charge was £20 and not the £15 I was told when I ordered it.
Anyway, I phoned the HSBC telephone banking number this evening and explained everything to the girl on the line, which was fairly hard due to us not being able to understand each other very well (possibly an Indian call centre). She said that the £20 was correct, as it was an international draft, and just would not let that go despite my assurances that I had been told £15 originally. She also said that they could cancel this draft for £10, and issue me with another one, for another £20 charge!!!!! Despite my frustration, and shock, I remained calm and explained that this was completely unacceptable as HSBC had sent me an unsuitable draft, and had charged me more than was quoted to me at the time of order. The girl just would not budge, so I asked to speak to a manager. She then proceeded to keep talking over the top of me and saying "you need to calm down sir" over and over (on my word, I was being exceptionally calm given the circumstances). She then said that she had no way of knowing if I was being genuine and that the draft was hand-written, poorly, and made out in a manner in which I had asked it not to be and I must go into my branch during working hours and have them verify everything. I'm looking at around two hours away from work to do this, and I wont be paid during my absense.

I am absolutely gobsmacked at all this, is there any chance that my branch will be able to issue me with a fresh draft on the spot, or do I have to wait for it to come in the post? What about the misquoted £15 fee that turned out to be £20?? :(
 
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Too add to that when I bought my vRS I needed money taken from my savings and into my current account.
Due to the amount it needed me to go down too the bank.
Went to the bank and they said it's now done over the phone via India, so they let me phone from there.
Cut a long story short after me telling the helpdesk that I wanted the money from the savings into the current and not the other way round as he kept getting it wrong, without a word of a lie I double checked nearly 5 times and he assured me all was as I wanted.
Of course it wasnt, and it could not be reversed for 3 days, I was buying the car in 2.

Again cut a long story short, they would only be able to sort it out by allowing my current account a five figure free overdraft, but only at a cost of £20.
After numerous times of trying to show they how thats daylight robbery for their error, for the sake of buying the car I had too pay it.

And third long story short, it's not unitl I got the bank managers SISTER!! who works with us too sort it out did I get my £20.

Lucky their so good in everything else I have donw with them or I'd be off.
 
Randell Floyd said:
Lucky their so good in everything else I have donw with them or I'd be off.

That's the thing. I've been with them since I was sixteen, so that's seventeen years now, and they have always been great.
Over the past year though strange things have ben happening, such as my Paypal standing order being cancelled twice (on both occasions HSBC couldn't explain why this happened, they just advised me to setup my bank account with Paypal again), and I also had my current account frozen (again, they had no idea why it happened as they couldn't see a problem with the account or its activities).

Now this stuff with the international money order and the charges, i'm so frustrated right now.
 
Dude seriously go into your branch and have a word with the bank manager or a manager of some sort who could possibly sort this out.
Do not ring them up as they are a bunch of monkeys, the last time i rung them up i actually hung up on the person because quite frankly the lady had no clue as to what i was talking about....

Like i said get yourself down to a branch and please for the love of god, things like this should be done at your branch...your first and silly mistake was doing it over the telephone. Trust me on this, i do a lot of international bank transfers from my hsbc account to my canadian bank account and i always ALWAYS do it at my branch...that way they dont get a chance to make any mistakes as you can correct them before they send it off etc etc.
 
Spawn said:
for the love of god, things like this should be done at your branch...

Im with you there - as an ex employee of a corporate bank, I can really back up what Spawn is saying - do everything of value face to face, unless you have access to premium banking or something similar, where you know the contact on the phone, and youve met them etc. The relationship part of banking goes completely out of the window over the phone - youre just a statistic.

As for the £15 becoming £20 - no play - check their published tariff, and see what it says - thats the price to pay, not a penny more. And theres no way you should pay for them incorrectly completing the payee name - they should cancel the current draft and give you another - no charge for that. However in their defence, drafts can often be filled in 'badly' - as in linking all the words together etc - as it makes them much harder to forge, or amend after they have been issued.

In short, speak to the manager, in person, and problem should be easily resolved - good luck! :)
 
daveyj27 said:
She then proceeded to keep talking over the top of me and saying "you need to calm down sir"

I was going to say something useful but I when I read that, I just started laughing. All I could think of was that scene in the aeroplane in Anger Management.
 
i know nothing said:
I was going to say something useful but I when I read that, I just started laughing. All I could think of was that scene in the aeroplane in Anger Management.

Man, I just couldn't believe it was happening! My wife was sitting opposite me during the call and went wide-eyed and open-mouthed when that part happened.
The closest I came to exploding was when she started saying stuff like "how do I know if the draft really is not good enough? I have only your word for it", but I kept quiet and reasonable as I knew that getting angry wouldn't get me anywhere (neither did being polite though apparently). I mean she did have a valid point, but her attitude was unreal.
 
madmaxx said:
As for the £15 becoming £20 - no play - check their published tariff, and see what it says - thats the price to pay, not a penny more.

The thing is though, the published price may well indeed be £20 (I need to check that, thanks for reminding me) but the guy quoted me £15. I came close to cancelling the request there and then because £15 seems an awfully high charge (Halifax charge my wife £10 for international drafts), but I just wanted it to be over and done with.
If the bloke had given me the real price of £20, I would have run a mile.
 
Spawn said:
your first and silly mistake was doing it over the telephone.

I know. Sadly, I was naive and thought that it would be a quick and painless procedure over the phone.

Trust me on this, i do a lot of international bank transfers from my hsbc account to my canadian bank account and i always ALWAYS do it at my branch....

My wife has doen one of these a month, with the Halifax over the phone, and hasn't had a problem. Well, that's incorrect actually. The reason I was doing this one through the HSBC was because she had just gotten off the phone with the Halifax and had no luck getting one this time as the bloke on the phone didn't know what an international money order was. He even went as far as saying to her "it appears that you don't know what you're talking about, or what you need" (despite her telling him that she has done nearly a hundred of these things before). That was it for her, she just hung up in disbelief.

What on Earth is wrong with people, and when did it become common practise to talk to a customer like this?
 
Forget the phone, get into your branch and kick up a stink. The brainless call centre automatons will give you no joy on the end of a phone but when you're standing face to face with someone they'll be a lot more accomodating. You can also show them the pathetically written draft that you were charged £20 for and hound them until they agree it's not good enough.
 
I'll be going into my branch this afternoon (so I can kiss goodbye to a couple of hours pay right there), and i'll update the thread afterwards.


Thanks for the advice folks, I appreciate it.
 
HSBC are causing me problems also, am considering a move to Natwest have had enough of not understanding people on the phone.
 
Ok.
Had a meeting with an advisor at my HSBC branch at 3.00pm, and it lasted until 4.20pm. I have to give the girl credit, she was trying her hardest to get the situation resolved, but wasn't familier with international drafts and procedures. Like the girl on the phone last night, she told me that i'd have to pay a £10 fee to cancel the first cheque and another £20 for a new cheque to be issued. I explained to her that this was completely unacceptable and unfair, after all, the draft that was sent to me was useless from the start and that was hardly my fault. To be fair though, I don't think the advisor completely grasped the situation until that point, and then it must have "clicked" in her mind. She went away, came back 10 minutes later with a new (and correctly filled out) draft and said that all charges, including the initial £20, were dropped as a "gesture of goodwill".

I came away a happy man. :)
 
daveyj27 said:
Ok.
Had a meeting with an advisor at my HSBC branch at 3.00pm, and it lasted until 4.20pm. I have to give the girl credit, she was trying her hardest to get the situation resolved, but wasn't familier with international drafts and procedures. Like the girl on the phone last night, she told me that i'd have to pay a £10 fee to cancel the first cheque and another £20 for a new cheque to be issued. I explained to her that this was completely unacceptable and unfair, after all, the draft that was sent to me was useless from the start and that was hardly my fault. To be fair though, I don't think the advisor completely grasped the situation until that point, and then it must have "clicked" in her mind. She went away, came back 10 minutes later with a new (and correctly filled out) draft and said that all charges, including the initial £20, were dropped as a "gesture of goodwill".

I came away a happy man. :)

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Glad you got it sorted. I'm sick to death of HSBC, and have had a similar occurrence where the Indian girl in the call centre was talking over me when I was trying to tell her things. Its not on. The way forward is definately to go to the branch to get anything sorted, but sometimes this is difficult due to work etc.

The majority of branch staff hate the call centres too and will sympathise.
 
Indian call centres.. fair enough.

But UK centres like Leeds (First Direct) Coventry (Barclays) Swansea (Lloyds) are always lovely :)
 
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