human teleportation

Robosapien said:
It's not just a speed / position interchange though, other variables such as spin.
As well as relativity being violated due to instanteanous (fast than light) information exchange I also thought the uncertainty principle was violated because you measure one particle after entanglement and can immediately infer information about the other particle, leaving you free to perform an alternative measurement on the second particle and thus knowing more about it than you should.
Correct me if that's wrong.
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The second particle is an exact copy of the first, thus you only need to know the position or speed of the first and because the second only comes into existence once the first is destroyed you'll still only know the speed or position.

The whole Quantum Theory is a massive headache and I reckon only people with huge craniums will really understand it. Maybe.
 
Human teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown, reformation is inherently purging. It makes a man a king.
 
Another thing that strikes me is the fact that most atoms in a single everyday object (even a drop of water) are in continual motion, all the time.
I would hazard that if simple copies of objects could be made, that given the uncertainty principle and the sheer practical limitations on knowing precise details for every single atom, that a statistical approach (or macroscopic, whatever) would have to be used to make them. Thus would you actually be teleported or would you be a mere approximation. I suppose you could say everything is an approximation from one moment to the next regardless given that such fluctuations are inherent anyway.
 
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bhavv said:
Completely dematerialising a person and reassembing them elsewhere sounds far too far fetched, and even if possible would probably never pass ethical requirements.
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They probably thought the same about flying to the moon in 1903.
 
Tefal said:
if you mean the;

scan human/object, turn human to energy, transmit energy and then turn back into properly configured matter.

no because the energy released would be several megatons of TNT equivalent and the beam fo energy trasmitted a multi 1000Gw death ray.

it's just too risky.
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You're underestimating by entire orders of magnitude, weird though it sounds.

Even a very small woman would convert to energy equivalent to over a gigaton of TNT.

The energy beam would have to carry exajoules of energy, an amount so boggingly huge that I had to look the prefix up. It would make a "multi 1000Gw death ray" look like a 50p torch with the battery almost completely discharged.

Which makes your point even stronger than you thought.

To put it into a more comprehensible and appalling perspective, the energy output of the nuke dropped on Hiroshima was roughly equivalent in mass to a single banknote.
 
bhavv said:
Evolution is not a real Scientific Theory.

There has never been a testable hypothesis created, nor any evidence ever found that one species can differentiate into two through many favorable mutations over a long period of time by natural selection.

So how is Evolution a Scientific Theory?
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It has
 
LordSplodge said:
I think Mr Werner Heisenberg may have a thing or two to say about why human teleportation may well never happen.

The transporters in Star Trek have an amusing component call the Heisenberg Compensator.
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This might or might not be true, but it's a great story...

Long before the web, there were some people at the TV company who answered questions about Star Trek from people phoning in. Star Trek was meant to seem at least superficially plausible in theory, so they had some explanations for how the kit worked. Then a caller asked how a Heisenberg compensator worked. Nobody had the faintest idea how such a thing could possibly work. Worse than that - it appeared impossible for it to exist. It was pure plot device. A quick-thinking employee answered the question with a creative misinterpretation - "Very well".
 
bhavv said:
When the experiment is repeated hundreds of times over, and each finds antioxidants in the broccoli, it becomes a fact that broccoli contains antioxidants.

This does not form a Scientific Theory.
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I've been reading your posts with growing fascination.

If you have a scientific degree, science has been very thoroughly corrupted.

You're completely wrong about several key aspects of the fundamentals of science. I'm still completely weirded out by your insistence that a theory is research that might or might not lead to a hypothesis. I've never seen anyone get the basics so wrong in such a weird way. Even loopy-tune creationists who are deliberately totally ignorant of science and just blurt out scientific terms with whatever meanings they want those terms to have don't get the basics of science as weirdly wrong as that.
 
If the "scan and rebuild" form of teleportation existed, it would be possible to avoid death by accident or murder. You'd just back yourself up. The technology requires it to be possible to scan yourself, store the results as data and build a new body from the data. So you could keep a copy of the data and build a new body from that copy if you die unexpectedly. Sure, you'd lose any changes in your mind and body between the time you did the backup and your death, but that beats being dead. Just do a daily backup and you won't lose much.

So why do people die in Star Trek?
 
Angilion said:
If the "scan and rebuild" form of teleportation existed, it would be possible to avoid death by accident or murder. You'd just back yourself up. The technology requires it to be possible to scan yourself, store the results as data and build a new body from the data. So you could keep a copy of the data and build a new body from that copy if you die unexpectedly. Sure, you'd lose any changes in your mind and body between the time you did the backup and your death, but that beats being dead. Just do a daily backup and you won't lose much.

So why do people die in Star Trek?
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You are dead though, it's simply a clone living in your place.

6th day style



If i made an exact copy of you right now, would you be happy to die knowing he will live on as you?

star trek doesn't have this because to get around the whole "well we just murdered kirk" thing by rebuilding the person from the energy they where made from originally.
 
Tefal said:
You are dead though, it's simply a clone living in your place.

6th day style



If i made an exact copy of you right now, would you be happy to die knowing he will live on as you?
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The copy would be data, not a physical form. To be used to make a new copy of me if I died, e.g.

07:30 Get up, have shower, make backup, have breakfast.
08:15 Go to work.
14:00 Get hit by a bus coming back from lunch, die.

15:00 Rebuilt from the ~07:45 backup disc (cube, whatever).

star trek doesn't have this because to get around the whole "well we just murdered kirk" thing by rebuilding the person from the energy they where made from originally.
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Not necessarily. The energy comes from wherever. The person is destroyed by the scanning process and temporarily held as data. Not always all that temporary - it can be decades. Copies can also be made, e.g. William and Thomas Riker.
 
Biohazard said:
Fart much?

:D
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Teleporting a fart would be cool. Think of the fun you could have at the office. :D

Speaking of which, if you pinch off a fart (say, in an elevator so as not to offend someone else), where does it go?


I'm digging how the Star Trek transporter was created just to save set/screen time. Roddenberry ruled!
 
Angilion said:
The copy would be data, not a physical form. To be used to make a new copy of me if I died, e.g.

07:30 Get up, have shower, make backup, have breakfast.
08:15 Go to work.
14:00 Get hit by a bus coming back from lunch, die.

15:00 Rebuilt from the ~07:45 backup disc (cube, whatever).
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And if i make the back up while you're still alive do you consider him to be you or a copy?


Would you be happy to die so the copy could live on ?


You are dead simply a copy of you lives on.
 
Angilion said:
You're underestimating by entire orders of magnitude, weird though it sounds.

Even a very small woman would convert to energy equivalent to over a gigaton of TNT.

The energy beam would have to carry exajoules of energy, an amount so boggingly huge that I had to look the prefix up. It would make a "multi 1000Gw death ray" look like a 50p torch with the battery almost completely discharged.

Which makes your point even stronger than you thought.

To put it into a more comprehensible and appalling perspective, the energy output of the nuke dropped on Hiroshima was roughly equivalent in mass to a single banknote.
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yeah i worked it out once when it came up on here before couldn't be bothered to search for it :p
 
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