Hydrotest Liquid - anyone tried this?

[PAz]

Hey, anyone tried/heard of this stuff? One of the big guys at my gym can get me some pretty cheap (£12 a pop), he swears by it (probably because he wants to flog it) and I've read some good things about 'natural test' before.

Anyone got any experience with it? Worth trying you reckon?

Info here: http://www.nutrabolics.com/products/hydrotest.html

Ta

 

[Jeffstar]

Hydrotest.

Boost testosterone, Builds muscle, Increases sex drive, Insane strength!

Gotta love the supplements market

Spend your £12 on real food

 

[PAz]

Haha, I do love the marketing hype they give these things, but in fairness this stuff has got some decent reviews by users.

Not too worried about the food side of things, probably gonna start training with my old TP again (he was an olympic wrestling coach ) so he pretty much locks down my diet.

Just wondering if this would be worthwhile or not at a low price, something new - ta for your input!

 

[Chong Warrior]

Haven't tried it but at that price I'd be very tempted to have a go. The only ingredient that I've tried that's in that is Rhodiola Rosea. I really rate it but it's an expensive luxury. It's excellent for mood elevation, pretty good for other kinds of 'elevation' if you catch my drift lol Also good for combating stress and cortisol and raises energy levels. The longer you take it, the better the effects.

The guaranteed levels of protodioscin in the Trib would also make it tempting. Thing is this stuff isn't required or of any use unless you have low levels of testosterone for whatever reason (stress, heavy drinking, etc) or you're over 30 years of age. I'd be tempted to use it for a week after a weekend of boozing

From what I've read these natural supp's don't boost test levels any higher, they just boost low levels back to normal levels.

 

[Jeffstar]

Haven't tried it but at that price I'd be very tempted to have a go. The only ingredient that I've tried that's in that is Rhodiola Rosea. I really rate it but it's an expensive luxury. It's excellent for mood elevation, pretty good for other kinds of 'elevation' if you catch my drift lol Also good for combating stress and cortisol and raises energy levels. The longer you take it, the better the effects.

The guaranteed levels of protodioscin in the Trib would also make it tempting. Thing is this stuff isn't required or of any use unless you have low levels of testosterone for whatever reason (stress, heavy drinking, etc) or you're over 30 years of age. I'd be tempted to use it for a week after a weekend of boozing

From what I've read these natural supp's don't boost test levels any higher, they just boost low levels back to normal levels.

Thats if you believe marketing hype.

Paz, i wouldn't put that snake oil in my body even if they gave it to me for free. Maybe you could sell it on for a profit though? There's plenty of gullible punters out there

 

[WantoN]

Do bear in mind that Jeffstar is an avid anti-supplimenter

Personally I recommend that people try for themselves. We're all individuals. It's easy to convince yourself a suppliment is working when you have no comparison. So see how your gains are without any such suppliments, then incorporate them into your diet and see how you go.

Also, I don't get on with the idea that if it's a placebo effect it's pointless. If it works, placebo or not, then it's doing what it's supposed to

See how you go without it, then try it and see

Ant

 

[PAz]

Do bear in mind that Jeffstar is an avid anti-supplimenter

so is the guy I train with (the ex Oly coach), he doesn't even use whey heh (he eats a big steak and two tomatoes after a gym session and has done for the past 20 years lol)

I might get a bottle and give it a try, got a few things on ebay at the moment will see how much they sell for

Ta for the input.

 

[Chong Warrior]

Thats if you believe marketing hype.

What is?

Do bear in mind that Jeffstar is an avid anti-supplimenter

To put it lightly lol

Yet he has no experience with them and can't prove they don't work. His attitude towards them seems to be lump every single supplement into one group so he can safely label them all as worthless and feel superior in some way? Everyone's a mug except Jeffstar? Isn't he the smart one...

Though I can understand the point of view about not knowing the safety of long term use of some supplements, I avoid some myself and cycle some for this reason. To avoid their use completely though just because some "might" have other effects? Well that's upto the individual but I see that attitude as on similar planes as "not going out the front door because you might get hit by a bus"
Fair enough if some are proved to cause certain effects but until then, do some research and use them sensibly. These aren't anabolic steroids we're talking about. There are far more dangerous things you should be worried about putting in your body like trans-fats, sweeteners, sugars, colouring, preservatives, alcohol, etc, etc, etc. These are proven to be bad for your health yet most people consume them everyday without batting an eyelid.

Of course some are rubbish and a waste of money but some have been shown to work better than conventional drugs (Saw Palmetto in the management of prostatic enlargement for example. It's also been shown to help with male pattern baldness and a few other things!) A lot of the problem is these companies build up their products to be something they aren't. I mean Jeffstar is right on the money in this case to mock the claims on that link for Hydrotest, they're ridiculous but in the circumstances I posted about earlier it could prove usefull. Especially at the price PAz can get it for. At the full RRP of £30 I'd say no way

There are a couple of ingredients in that I've never heard of, like Avena sativa. If you decide you want to try it PAz I'd have a search about on each individual one first.

 

[Jeffstar]

What is?

To put it lightly lol

Yet he has no experience with them and can't prove they don't work. His attitude towards them seems to be lump every single supplement into one group so he can safely label them all as worthless and feel superior in some way? Everyone's a mug except Jeffstar? Isn't he the smart one...

Oh come on. Don't you think all these supplements i see you mention are a little excessive? I mean, carefully measuring out a coctail powders for pre-workout, during workout, post workout, before bed etc Stuff to help with prostrate, hair loss, mood elevation, stuff to give better pumps, stuff to detoxify your system, stuff to lose fat, stuff to build muscle, stuff to help joints, stuff to help sleep, need i go on? Where do you actually draw the line? Do you think that if you stopped taking all those supplements tomorrow your whole life would fall apart?

Of course its up to the individual what they put in their bodies, but i can't help but think the above is excessive and totally unnecessary

 

[Jeffstar]

so is the guy I train with (the ex Oly coach), he doesn't even use whey heh (he eats a big steak and two tomatoes after a gym session and has done for the past 20 years lol).

Sounds like a great mentor

There's a 65 year old bloke down at my gym who sometimes mucks in with us, he's trained most of his life, proper old skool. He doesnt do squats anymore though lol. Top bloke

 

[PAz]

Sounds like a great mentor

There's a 65 year old bloke down at my gym who sometimes mucks in with us, he's trained most of his life, proper old skool. He doesnt do squats anymore though lol. Top bloke

Yup very good, I learnt a lot from him. My clean (and power clean) technique is perfect thanks to him, even after a few months off I can still walk in and power clean 80-100kg for reps

 

[WantoN]

Oh come on. Don't you think all these supplements i see you mention are a little excessive? I mean, carefully measuring out a coctail powders for pre-workout, during workout, post workout, before bed etc Stuff to help with prostrate, hair loss, mood elevation, stuff to give better pumps, stuff to detoxify your system, stuff to lose fat, stuff to build muscle, stuff to help joints, stuff to help sleep, need i go on? Where do you actually draw the line? Do you think that if you stopped taking all those supplements tomorrow your whole life would fall apart?

Of course its up to the individual what they put in their bodies, but i can't help but think the above is excessive and totally unnecessary

I suppose the same could come from the lips of a sedentary person; "Oh come on, eat so much protein and so many calories in the morning, time your next meal, oh have to have a shake! Make sure the water comes on". Perhaps some of it is unnescessary, but that's the beauty of choice I suppose. It's good to see that we don't all have to follow identical regimens to get excellent results.

I think the simple question is, has it benefited you? Placebo or otherwise, I've tried a few suppliments and have stuck with a handful because of noticeable benefits. My personal opinion is that, with careful research, and experimentation, it's possible to find suppliments that help you.

That said, many have and always will find that carefully regimented diet, excercise and rest is enough. I suppose it's dependant on the individuals physical makeup, and of course, their school of thought

Jeffstar is heavily opinionated one way, and Chong the other. Whilst I'm a relatively quiet member on SA I've always respected both your opinions. That suppliments are such a point of contention just adds a little spice

Ant

 

[Chong Warrior]

Oh come on. Don't you think all these supplements i see you mention are a little excessive?

IT depends where you're coming from. Are you talking about a risk to health? A waste of money? A waste of time?

I mean how much stuff do you think I take at any one time? Just because I mention it, know about it or whatever doesn't mean I'm using them all. Some are usefull when bulking, others when cutting.

Also we aren't talking steroids here or artificial man made gubbins. Most of it is just 'targetted nutrition'. Amino acids for example.

I mean, carefully measuring out a coctail powders for pre-workout, during workout, post workout, before bed etc Stuff to help with prostrate, hair loss, mood elevation, stuff to give better pumps, stuff to detoxify your system, stuff to lose fat, stuff to build muscle, stuff to help joints, stuff to help sleep, need i go on? Where do you actually draw the line?

Ok then, lets say for example you have sore joints, what do you propose? Go to the doctor and get some prescribed drugs? Suffer in pain? Stop training? What? please do share....

Do you think that if you stopped taking all those supplements tomorrow your whole life would fall apart?

Yes.... yes it would

Seriously though, bodybuilding for me envelopes everything and I love the whole package. I love learning about training, the human body, how it works, nutrition, how the body responds to different fuels, stresses, injuries, optimum health, etc, the whole caboodle. Supplements and optimal nutrition are half the fun, take that away and you're just playing at it. You know what I mean?

 

[MTA99]

What is?

To put it lightly lol

Yet he has no experience with them and can't prove they don't work. His attitude towards them seems to be lump every single supplement into one group so he can safely label them all as worthless and feel superior in some way? Everyone's a mug except Jeffstar? Isn't he the smart one...

Supp rage tbh!!

 

[Chong Warrior]

Supp rage tbh!!

AAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!









I think it's the high testosterone from this high fat diet



(and supplements!)

 

[Jeffstar]

IT depends where you're coming from. Are you talking about a risk to health?

Quite possibly yes.

I mean how much stuff do you think I take at any one time?

I suspect that we don't know half of it

Most of it is just 'targetted nutrition'. Amino acids for example.

I choose to get my amino acids from real food, just like the human body was designed to do. I'm old fashioned like that

Ok then, lets say for example you have sore joints, what do you propose? Go to the doctor and get some prescribed drugs? Suffer in pain? Stop training? What? please do share....

Well i wouldn't try giving medical advice, i'm not qualified and its against the forum rules and rightly so. The obvious thing is to find alternative execises to the ones giving you pain, and yes, go see a doctor, thats not a bad idea!

Seriously though, bodybuilding for me envelopes everything and I love the whole package. I love learning about training, the human body, how it works, nutrition, how the body responds to different fuels, stresses, injuries, optimum health, etc, the whole caboodle. Supplements and optimal nutrition are half the fun, take that away and you're just playing at it. You know what I mean?

Have you tried researching why some people choose to follow pseudo science rather than real science? Now that could be interesting

 

[Morba]

Have you tried researching why some people choose to follow pseudo science rather than real science? Now that could be interesting

learning about skeletal muscle and nutrition is not real science?

 

[Jeffstar]

learning about skeletal muscle and nutrition is not real science?

I'm referring to the supplements.

I can't see why chong thinks "you're only playing at it" if someone chooses not to take supps either

 

[Chong Warrior]

I choose to get my amino acids from real food, just like the human body was designed to do. I'm old fashioned like that

So you don't take protein powders?

Well i wouldn't try giving medical advice, i'm not qualified and its against the forum rules and rightly so. The obvious thing is to find alternative execises to the ones giving you pain, and yes, go see a doctor, thats not a bad idea!

I have been to see my doctor, many times. He prescribed me painkillers everytime He then weighed me and told me I was clinically obese. He then told me to stop taking steroids (after I'd already told him twice that I'd never touched them) and to stop this silly bodybuilding business. Too much protein..... blah, blah, blah.

In your opinion which is better? I'll add that the Glucosamine & Chondroitin along with Cissus Quadrangularis have enabled me to continue training. Should I stop taking these supplements incase they're "quite possibly" bad for me in some as yet unknown way? Should I listen to my doctor and neck all these painkillers? Stop my healthy lifestyle choice and give up going to the gym?

Have you tried researching why some people choose to follow pseudo science rather than real science? Now that could be interesting

I've seen your idea of real science. Here wasn't this one of your links?

I'm referring to the supplements.

I can't see why chong thinks "you're only playing at it" if someone chooses not to take supps either

That isn't what I said is it?

 

[Jeffstar]

So you don't take protein powders?

I do in moderation, they're quite handy sometimes when i have limited time. Still doesn't change the fact that i prefer to get my amino acids from solid food though, just as nature intended.

I have been to see my doctor, many times. He prescribed me painkillers everytime He then weighed me and told me I was clinically obese. He then told me to stop taking steroids (after I'd already told him twice that I'd never touched them) and to stop this silly bodybuilding business. Too much protein..... blah, blah, blah.

If you're not happy with your GP, can't you change to another one?

In your opinion which is better? I'll add that the Glucosamine & Chondroitin along with Cissus Quadrangularis have enabled me to continue training. Should I stop taking these supplements incase they're "quite possibly" bad for me in some as yet unknown way? Should I listen to my doctor and neck all these painkillers? Stop my healthy lifestyle choice and give up going to the gym?

Are you really trying to say those supplements have cured you? Wow, it looks like the medical world really missed out on those

I've seen your idea of real science. Here wasn't this one of your links?

Yes it was one of my links, i provided it to expose some of the brainwashing tactics used in the health food industry. Thanks for providing it again for the people that may have missed it (check #24 ) I didnt say it was my "idea of real science" though, please re-read the original post.

I did provide other links that were real science though, here they are again (i think you said they were boring)

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/21150.php
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4853
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19125631.500
http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-toomuch-supplement.htm
http://www.1stholistic.com/Nutrition/hol_nutr-toxic-dosages.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/e..._uids=16495392&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_docsum

That isn't what I said is it?

Just testing