I can save a house for each child I don't have.

zoomee · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:37

peterwalkley said:
Just remember to be nice to them - they are choosing your nursing home when you get old and decrepit.

What goes around comes around

Orch · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:37

I would suggest that the amount of time the average child spends in childcare is nothing compared with the time spent with parents, who are actually raising and shaping the child. We're talking a couple of days a week normally perhaps?

Every single person I have spoken to about this (very relevant to me at the moment) have told me they have seen a clear and positive benefit to their child's behavior since going to nursery/childcare. More sociable, confident and comfortable around other adults and children.

Sending your child to a well chosen nursery/child care is not paying someone else to raise your child.

window · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:40

[DOD]Asprilla;24791996 said:
Er, no. Our eldest started in nursery at 9 months. The government start giving you 15hrs a week of child care vouchers at age 3.

By the time my kids get to school they will have cost us about £30k each in child care.

The age is 2 not 3

Mr-White · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:45

d_brennen said:
Worth every penny. Probably more than that even.

I suppose it would be if you find the right buyer.

MW

MrMoonX · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:47

Orch said:
What a stupid thing to say. Using childcare isn't paying someone else to bring your child.

using childcare full time so you dont "put career on hold" I would say is getting your priorities wrong, unless it makes financial sense, which rarely it does due to prohibitive cost of childcare.

Nursery is beneficial as it helps with socialisation etc. but mon-fri 8am-6pm, I feel is paying someone else to bring up your child as thats a huge chunk of their time

SDK^ · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:48

window said:
The age is 2 not 3

There is so much wrong info being posted in this thread, especially on the first page.

Note : Your child is entitled to 15 hours a week funded childcare from the term starting after their third birthday

[DOD]Asprilla · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:52

window said:
The age is 2 not 3

Quite sure?

http://www.yor-ok.org.uk/Parents/Childcare/nef.html

You can get it at age two if you are on certain means tested benefits but otherwise it's 3.

[DOD]Asprilla · 19 Aug 2013 at 12:58

MrMoonX said:
Depends on what's important, paying for someone else to bring up your child until they go to school and not putting career on hold, or forget career and concentrate on being a parent, is that what you're saying?

No, I'm saying that you can do what you want and I won't judge your choice

We made a choice to ensure that Mrs A doesn't stall her career and limit her options because she like her career. It doesn't mean that we don't spend any time with the kids or that someone else is raising them. It makes perfect financial sense for us. If we were worse of in terms of time and money then it wouldn't even be an option.

If you want to criticise any other parenting choices I've made without the full facts then just pop over to mumsnet...

randomshenans · 19 Aug 2013 at 13:54

arknor said:
only the first kid is expensive the second one wears hand me downs

lol

We're trying for the 3rd after the wedding this weekend. Apparently. My logic is that the 8yr old can now start saving to buy me a ferarri, so it might even out.

Or, probably not. Maybe. I'm doomed.

I'm not buying a bloody mini van though.

randomshenans · 19 Aug 2013 at 13:57

[DOD]Asprilla;24793404 said:
No, I'm saying that you can do what you want and I won't judge your choice

We made a choice to ensure that Mrs A doesn't stall her career and limit her options because she like her career. It doesn't mean that we don't spend any time with the kids or that someone else is raising them. It makes perfect financial sense for us. If we were worse of in terms of time and money then it wouldn't even be an option.

If you want to criticise any other parenting choices I've made without the full facts then just pop over to mumsnet...

We're 100% with you on this!

wesimmo · 19 Aug 2013 at 13:58

It's a stupid calculation TBH.

I spent say £20 on doing things with my daughter on Saturday, I could have gone to the football instead and spent considerably more than that after beer and food is included.

I had a great day and in actual fact saved myself £30+ than if I hadn't got kids.

krooton · 19 Aug 2013 at 14:00

MrMoonX said:
Nursery is beneficial as it helps with socialisation etc. but mon-fri 8am-6pm, I feel is paying someone else to bring up your child as thats a huge chunk of their time

What, like school?

I was in full-time weekday nursery for ages 3 and 4, 5 in pre-primary school, then primary school from 6.

Mr^B · 19 Aug 2013 at 14:03

Utter rubbish, I have 4 kids, my wife doesn't work. No way does it cost that much, even with the amount of iPads and bicycles they seem to require...

Orch · 19 Aug 2013 at 14:07

Loss of second income must be a massive factor. Our lad is only just over 1 and probably cost £12,000 in income already.

Xordium · 19 Aug 2013 at 14:59

Mr^B said:
Utter rubbish, I have 4 kids, my wife doesn't work. No way does it cost that much

And how much per year are you losing by her not working I wonder. Now total that up over the 17 years and see what kind of figure you arrive at.

SDK^ · 19 Aug 2013 at 15:01

Mr^B said:
Utter rubbish, I have 4 kids, my wife doesn't work. No way does it cost that much.

Think about it

You have lost your wifes income because she is at home. Even on minimum wage of around £12.6k that's £227k lost over 18 years. (before taxes)

jamief · 19 Aug 2013 at 15:14

SDK^ said:
Think about it
You have lost your wifes income because she is at home. Even on minimum wage of around £12.6k that's £227k lost over 18 years. (before taxes)

The calculations are based on loss of a full time income for a certain period - that period is not 18 years.

Kishywish · 19 Aug 2013 at 15:22

Regardless of just how much income is lost due to the first child being born - it's still a lot of money.

There's other intangibles that are lost, like free time that could otherwise have been spent on oneself, but is now wasted on the care and attention of another.

[DOD]Asprilla · 19 Aug 2013 at 15:23

Not sure 'wasted' is the right term. However, I do refer to the kids as the 'time vampires'.