1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

I don't understand this story - MP's and parental leave

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Hades, Jun 18, 2019.

  1. Hades

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 19, 2002

    Posts: 22,254

    Location: Surrey and London

    I've read this story several times and I am still confused as to exactly what MP's get paid for parental leave. The story seems to indicate that there is no maternity leave. But it then explains at the end that "Any MP who takes maternity leave, paternity leave or adoption leave is paid in full for the time they are absent."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48671092

    can anyone explain to me what they do and don't get as I am not sure from that story.

    Thanks.
     
  2. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 11,241

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    Sure. I'll answer with a question.

    Who does the MP's job when he / she is absent due to maternity or paternity leave?
     
  3. Hades

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 19, 2002

    Posts: 22,254

    Location: Surrey and London

    Indeed!
     
  4. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,532

    Location: Plymouth

    Reading Stella creasy's article in the guardian it seems the complaint is that she doesn't get someone to order to do all the things she normally does while she is on maternity leave.

    I’m pregnant and forced to choose between being an MP and a mum

    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ant-mp-maternity-leave-equality-stella-creasy

    She seems to forget that she is not an employee, and also to largely forget about her constituents and that, as an elected representative, you cant simply delegate that mandate to someone who hasn't been voted for.
     
  5. Hades

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 19, 2002

    Posts: 22,254

    Location: Surrey and London

    Thanks both. OK so if I've understood correctly she's complaining that, despite actually getting maternity pay, she isn't extra money to employ someone else to do her job as an MP?

    What the actual ****?
     
  6. VincentHanna

    Capodecina

    Joined: Jul 30, 2013

    Posts: 17,741

    I think the key part of her argument in the Guardian is this paragraph

     
  7. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,532

    Location: Plymouth

    She should try being a sole trader or independent contractor...

    Her argument may certainly have some valid points, but they are lost in her special pleading. Effectively she's trying to push the costs and consequences of her choices onto others and expecting sympathy from people who don't get the same luxury.
     
  8. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 11,241

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    I think the point that she was trying to make was that there's no funding for somebody to take her place to continue to represent her views and serve her constituency. But as Dolph said, simply delegating or creating a puppet / clone - funded or unfunded - is rather difficult.
     
  9. BowdonUK

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Jan 17, 2016

    Posts: 2,125

    I don't understand why technology isn't being used. She could use skype from her home (or where-ever she is) to her constituency office where they could setup a computer and webcam.

    This would also help all MP's with costs for travelling between parliament and back to their constituencies. I think it was Jo Swinson of the Lib Dem's that was commenting on the story today on the bbc saying she has to travel over 400 miles to her constituency office.

    Use Skype!
     
  10. dowie

    Caporegime

    Joined: Jan 29, 2008

    Posts: 38,918

    I think the proxy voting thing is reasonable, then again why not allow for remote voting and/or participation in debates even for members unable to sit in the chamber as a result of acute medical reasons, new mothers etc.. - the technology is available...
     
  11. Moothead2

    Sgarrista

    Joined: May 23, 2011

    Posts: 9,339

    But then how are you going to claim expenses for the Pasty you buy at the train station or the McDonalds breakfast you get every day on the way in :p.
     
  12. Roar87

    Soldato

    Joined: May 10, 2012

    Posts: 5,068

    Location: Leeds

    The entitlement is palpable
     
  13. Steeps

    Mobster

    Joined: Nov 8, 2003

    Posts: 4,831

    Location: Bedfordshire

    They do get funding for people to assist them in their work and they can now vote by proxy, a lot of MP's hire direct family (son/daughter/spouse) to do their work for them and are paid a lot to do so. The problem is MP's are expected to sit in on meetings all year round and asking them to do so over skype from home is not allowing them the time off they are entitled to on maternity.

    Just take the 2 weeks off which are mandatory (plan your child around recesses like school teachers do) and share the maternity/paternity with your husband if you feel you need to be both a mother an a MP.
     
  14. Hades

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 19, 2002

    Posts: 22,254

    Location: Surrey and London

    Maybe they should allow postal voting. In fact we could get that nice chap Tariq Mahmood from Peterborough to run the postal votes scheme. What could possibly go wrong eh?
     
  15. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,532

    Location: Plymouth

    That works to an extent for the business of the house (although you're still going to be doing a lot of work to keep up to speed in terms of reading etc, which may be too much for some mothers and some people who are acutely ill).

    It doesn't really offer a solution for constituency work though. Now admittedly, the quality and volume of constituency work done is highly variable between mps and constituencies anyway, generally in proportion with how safe their seat is and how much time they spend on pet projects instead, but the issue remains.

    Perhaps a solution is for the party they represent to fund it? That's what employers are forced to do after all.
     
  16. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 11,241

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    Why? They’re not employed by their respective parties, nor are they obliged to belong to one.
     
  17. Dolph

    Man of Honour

    Joined: Oct 17, 2002

    Posts: 46,532

    Location: Plymouth

    They aren't employed by the taxpayer either in any conventionally understood way. The closest general relationship would be a contractor, who normally wouldn't get any form of maternity support.
     
  18. The_Abyss

    Capodecina

    Joined: May 15, 2007

    Posts: 11,241

    Location: Ipswich / Bodham

    They’re funded by the taxpayer.
     
  19. nkata

    Soldato

    Joined: Mar 1, 2010

    Posts: 6,919

    Location: Cheshire / Staffordshire

    I would have thought that some voluntary arrangement by the local party to attend the MP's surgeries, take minutes of meetings and report back on the important issues could be planned. Unless the member is extremely unpopular locally.

    Not every CEO attends all the meetings he or she has minions for these tasks.
     
  20. Trifid

    Sgarrista

    Joined: Feb 18, 2006

    Posts: 8,137

    If the father is employed, perhaps she could fight for equal parental leave pay (not just statutory) and then the father could take charge of childcare or an equal share for the first year without being penalised?