I need out of IT
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As a developer, why anyone would want to be a tester I cannot imagine. I HATE TESTING. Its just so repetitive and dull. Any decent developer will have their own unit tests, so when its handed off to a tester they often perform really boring end to end integration testing.
Would Air Traffic Control interest you at all?
I changed career from Electronics/IT when I was 31. Yes, studying is involved but if you make it, it is, imho, one of the best jobs available in the UK. Pay is pretty darn good too.
I changed career from Electronics/IT when I was 31. Yes, studying is involved but if you make it, it is, imho, one of the best jobs available in the UK. Pay is pretty darn good too.
... I could I could I could
you don't... and wonder why you haven't got any further?
They'll employ the guy who's best for the job... they're not interested in giving the next guy (who doesn't even bother) a chance
So yeah, you probably would be lucky to get any other job than a "phone monkey support", because you're unwilling to teach yourself it seems
or am I wrong?
Thanks for the info Hangtime 
neodude I looked into that previously but didn't act on it as you have to study in Portsmouth for 2 years with no income? and even then you aren't guaranteed a position or location of your choosing.
I was very interested initially, but it's not for me, just making people aware that it's not an easy road once you are older and settled - tip hat off to you though mate
neodude I looked into that previously but didn't act on it as you have to study in Portsmouth for 2 years with no income? and even then you aren't guaranteed a position or location of your choosing.
I was very interested initially, but it's not for me, just making people aware that it's not an easy road once you are older and settled - tip hat off to you though mate
The Studying is in Bournemouth (Soon to be moved to Southampton). I was there for just under a year, you get paid £10k PA plus accomodation allowance, works out around £1k/Month after tax. You are right though you don't get to choose where you end up, I was fairly lucky, I wanted Edinburgh and got Aberdeen, could've been worse. Good luck in whatever you decide
That obviously depends on where the person is working and what industry it is in. I would imagine testing can range from being very repetitive and boring, to a fast paced and enjoyable job.
... I could I could I could
you don't... and wonder why you haven't got any further?
They'll employ the guy who's best for the job... they're not interested in giving the next guy (who doesn't even bother) a chance
So yeah, you probably would be lucky to get any other job than a "phone monkey support", because you're unwilling to teach yourself it seems
or am I wrong?
I meant my situation not in general. Where I work theres one department of 5 guys who look at coding and looking after servers. Its been like that for 3 years and only now another role has come available in there.
So there are 4 guys in "monkey support" including me who want it, three of these guys know much more than me and have been at the company longer. One of them got the job coz he used to work with one of the guys in that dept. I know i wouldn't get it but I wanted them to know thats where I wanna go.... so now I have to work in monkey support for about another 3 years doing something I hate.
Ive looked at other companies and theres nothing out there, and if there is its far too specialised and out of my league. Competion is just too fierce, there are 17 year olds who know more than someone in their late 20s who just got out of Uni.
So the way things are Im leaving IT and going into a new direction
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Such as?
Everyone's wanted into IT since the 90s when the salaries were high and the staff were treated right, it now seems like the salaries are dropping due to such high competition and IT support being seen as just another service like operations
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Damn my inability to cut hair 
If your in a Support job supported non-IT people you get treated like muck. Only a few appreciate you. Its those in the specialised jobs like C# developer or Web Site Developer (and Im not talking Frontpage Express Im talking about coderz) who get the respect.
Wish I was in the game earlier, dialup came out when I was 16 if only I played less Goldenye on N64 and jumped onto the Internet bandwagon Id be much better off
such as people working harder and getting further than him apparently
Probably because the 17 year old studied hard and didn't wait for it to be taught to him!
He knew that there were people 10x better than him. only instead of giving up and choosing something else it inspired him and he worked hard and will probably go very far. and it's exactly true... someone with an interest and passion to learn will of course outdo anyone who... just goes to uni and does a comp sci degree and wonders why they're a call centre monkey; I know more than a few of them aged 16+. with so much learning material out there on the web... theres almost nothing you cannot learn off your own bat, so **** or get off the pot
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Wow steve-h you should be a motivational speaker... no not really
You dont get the fact that even if you do learn all this stuff and get great at it, your stuck to work with IT people, and most IT people are up their own arses and think they better than everyone else. Dont get me wrong I would love to be a coder making cool new apps, but wheres the demand for that? Theres isnt any, and if there is there are 100s people applying for the same job. Like I said its just too saturated.. in this country anyway.
My point is I can either stay here in support and learn stuff on the side wich wont GAURANTEE me a job. Or I can do something off the bat as you say and make more money, be happier coz I wont be working with arsegholes and have less working hours i.e. barber shop
Oh and to move up in IT requires a lot of ass licking... a lot of it
You dont get the fact that even if you do learn all this stuff and get great at it, your stuck to work with IT people, and most IT people are up their own arses and think they better than everyone else. Dont get me wrong I would love to be a coder making cool new apps, but wheres the demand for that? Theres isnt any, and if there is there are 100s people applying for the same job. Like I said its just too saturated.. in this country anyway.
My point is I can either stay here in support and learn stuff on the side wich wont GAURANTEE me a job. Or I can do something off the bat as you say and make more money, be happier coz I wont be working with arsegholes and have less working hours i.e. barber shop
Oh and to move up in IT requires a lot of ass licking... a lot of it
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I like the statement that you can go on the internets and learn, so what shall I put on my CV? "I learned from the internets"
Come on, be realistic
Come on, be realistic
It depends who you class as 'IT people'...
But what you can put on your CV is whatever you learn FORM THE INTERNETZ LOL!!!!, you can build up a portfolio containing information on projects you've completed and such... seems to work well for web designers/developers and programmers.
Maybe if you bothered to learn FROM DAT INTERNETS LOL you wouldn't need such a thread?
But whatever... you're obviously not willing to work towards anything in IT, so ill shut up and let people spec you new easier jobs that don't require as much effort on your part
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Although you could code something cool and show that to prospective emplyers... although that will only get you so far. I know someone who started in support, and in his spare time made a virtual web interface for diagnostics. Bosses loved it, took it off him but kept him in Support. Face it, its very hard to move around in IT end of
You just admitted you weren't willing to put any effort into your job, so while that statement is true for you, it's not true for others.
Plus you were the one saying 17 year olds know more than graduates... that was your reason not to bother; how do you think they gained their knowledge?
Its not just about knowledge, theres a lot of "who you know not waht you know". I've worked in 4 different IT companies, and in everyone of them the only way I saw "noobs" moving forward was becasue they licked ass and/or were mates with someone higher up. Then once they secure that job, even though they have no knowledge of what to do, they somehow get special 1to1 training from an experienced memebr of staff... its a joke.