I own both PS3 and 360, and i have this to say *GTA4*

its not a conclusion, its the start of a debate, i just made a stark statement to get things moving

will catch up with this thread a bit later

Which is exactly what someone would say had they just blurted out the first thing that came into their head, and people then point out the 'obvious' flaws in the logic.. ;)
 
Which is exactly what someone would say had they just blurted out the first thing that came into their head, and people then point out the 'obvious' flaws in the logic.. ;)
im not afraid to put an idea out there :o

just because you lot play safe all the time, like i said, this isnt my life's work, im throwing something out there for debate. Now we could have a deep discussion about all the possible factors involved and fully explore the subject, or you can take the easy way out and point fingers at a person.

I rarely say things to boost my own ego, i say things because i think they should be said, if the conclusion of the debate is that the statement is wrong, then great! A conclusion has been reached, and i become a little more knowledgable, nothing personal. Risk -> Reward
 
graphics are not the same you can say it over and over and convince yourself if you want but they are not the same
which graphics you prefer is up to you but they are not the same every single comparison video and pictures will show this
but when will all this gta 360vps3 end its very boring
WTF? Read through my post again and then tell me where I said they were the same :mad:

I guarantee no new xbox will be announced this year, that would be suicide for the 360 tbh.rp2000
Didn't MS recently say they wanted the 360 to last 7 years? So it was launched in 2005 you wouldn't expect the next Xbox to be launched until at least 2012. Unless they want to copy Sony's model and support the old for a few years after the launch of the new, in which case maybe it will be 2010. I wouldn't be suprised if MS want to actually milk the success of the 360 rather than just brush it under the carpet like they did with the xbox when they prematurely dropped it.
 
I personally think a Microsoft announcement of a new console by Winter 2010/Spring 2011 with a projected release in time for Christmas 2011.
 
im not afraid to put an idea out there :o

just because you lot play safe all the time, like i said, this isnt my life's work, im throwing something out there for debate. Now we could have a deep discussion about all the possible factors involved and fully explore the subject, or you can take the easy way out and point fingers at a person.

I rarely say things to boost my own ego, i say things because i think they should be said, if the conclusion of the debate is that the statement is wrong, then great! A conclusion has been reached, and i become a little more knowledgable, nothing personal. Risk -> Reward

No one is playing it safe, and anyone can say what they want, you haven't thought it through properly, which leaves little to discuss..

To re-iterate, the 360 version is proven to be renderred at a higher resolution, with marginally faster framerates, all 'assets' etc are identical, therefore there is not even the remotest shred of 'reason' to think the PS3 version has been 'crippled' graphically becuase of the 360, if you wanted to turn it around and say the 360 version may have been crippled graphically to bring it 'down' to the PS3 level, we could at least have a chance of bringing something to the table..

As for your alledged motivation for posting this thread, I think you need to realise that coming out with Random statements that don't stand a chance of remotely holding any water is never going to get a good response..

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To re-iterate, the 360 version is proven to be renderred at a higher resolution,

When was this then? Last I heard it was confirmed by Rockstar that both rendered at 720p, but a rumour was started on a 360 bias forum that the PS3 was only 640p???
 
When was this then? Last I heard it was confirmed by Rockstar that both rendered at 720p, but a rumour was started on a 360 bias forum that the PS3 was only 640p???

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46242

This is 100% not a 360 bias forum, it has many developers contributing, and has been the only source for definitive rendering resolution for many games, they 'exposed' Halo 3 as being 640p as well.. as unbiased a place as you will get..

It also has a good thread on the framerate measurements, helping the guy who has been doing the Eurogamer comparos, they are as interested as the next man in finding out scientifically the facts in an impartial way to stop all the conjecture that flies around, they get my vote..
 
The Console architecture doesn't make it as straight forward as that.

The SPE's in the PS3 are capable of geometry processing and the GPU is also capable of sharing some processing with the the Cell itself due to a wide bandwidth.

Which is why people are saying the Cell makes a difference.

there's not a great deal of difference in reality ;), i'm not about to get into a technical wrestle @ 12:45am however.

*IF* the code is there perhaps but there's nothing to set it apart from the 360 yet visually, gt5p isn't amazing on the whole and quite bland in parts.

ppl still love to pander to the sony propaganda machine, i remember hearing about "cinema like visuals" ...bleh just more similar crap we got fed when the PS2 was released.

i like both consoles but i'm sick of constantly listening to sony BS about this kind of stuff.
 
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46242

This is 100% not a 360 bias forum, it has many developers contributing, and has been the only source for definitive rendering resolution for many games, they 'exposed' Halo 3 as being 640p as well.. as unbiased a place as you will get..

It also has a good thread on the framerate measurements, helping the guy who has been doing the Eurogamer comparos, they are as interested as the next man in finding out scientifically the facts in an impartial way to stop all the conjecture that flies around, they get my vote..

Well it still came from a forum so I wouldn't say you could count it as being 100%. I did a quick search and there are just as many forums out there quoting that Rockstar said both version are 720p in an interview. I heard this on 1upYours podcast too. I really don't know who to beleive... actually scrub that as I'm really not going to give it any more thought as I still think it looks and plays great on the PS3.

I'm over it ;)
 
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equal performance on both consoles = better sales overall

better performance on PS3 console = unhappy 360 owners

So why not the other way around?
The ps3 stutters and has worse framerate issues with a lower resolution and no anti-aliasing, there is also a filter on the 360 that does blur some of the details,

If anything the 360 one could be pushed further and still match up the the ps3 in terms of technical performance

This post may contain some fanboyism but them so does yours, just by saying you have both doesn't make your point valid, i have both consoles too but this post is very MS positive
 
I just think it's down to the developers not fully being able to utilise the PS3, but it's becoming more and more of an excuse, I mean, how long does it take?

I own a 360, im not a fanboy, however I work with someone who thinks the PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread, even though he doesn't own one.

To be honest, the PS3, IMO is going to become a console that gets lost in it's own tech-talk, with game developers not bothered to stretch the extra mile to utilise it's capabilities, that is, if it actually DOES have anything as special as Sony claims it to be.
 
I just think it's down to the developers not fully being able to utilise the PS3, but it's becoming more and more of an excuse, I mean, how long does it take?

I own a 360, im not a fanboy, however I work with someone who thinks the PS3 is the best thing since sliced bread, even though he doesn't own one.

To be honest, the PS3, IMO is going to become a console that gets lost in it's own tech-talk, with game developers not bothered to stretch the extra mile to utilise it's capabilities, that is, if it actually DOES have anything as special as Sony claims it to be.

It's no different to PS2 the games will continue to get better and better over the next few years, the only difference this time is PS3 has had competition from day one which is much easier to get to grips with.

PS3's best games will be the exclusives, you only have to look at Uncharted and GT5P to see that.
 
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