I Support the lorry drivers thread

Visage · 27 May 2008 at 16:38

Outcast said:
government coerced media

What government coerced media?

Doonhamer · 27 May 2008 at 16:38

mejinks said:
More moaning about fuel? What a surprise.

Answer this question then.

Who did you vote for in the last election? If you didn't vote, you are as good as handing Labour a victory.

They are stealing from you directly. Yet all you do is moan on a public forum.

What would the the other parties have done differently that would have prevented or better coped with the rising fuels costs? I'm genuinely interested in the answer to this.

K.C. Leblanc · 27 May 2008 at 16:41

mejinks said:
Who did you vote for in the last election? If you didn't vote, you are as good as handing Labour a victory.

Because we all voted for Gordon Brown and his special blend of crisis managment.

dirtydog · 27 May 2008 at 16:42

mejinks said:
Who did you vote for in the last election? If you didn't vote, you are as good as handing Labour a victory.

Our electoral system means that your post is nonsense I'm afraid.

Sankari · 27 May 2008 at 16:43

I also support the lorry drives thread!

MookJong · 27 May 2008 at 16:44

[TW]Fox;11767779 said:
Given such votes are not counted what exactly did you hope to acheive?

I strongly believe in democracy, spoilt votes are recorded and I would never want to be seen as apathetic to the system.

If I believe in someone I will vote for them such as in local elections, but at that time there was nobody who represented me so other than tactical voting purely to remove Labour what was I to do? Should I have settled for a lesser of two evils?

mejinks · 27 May 2008 at 16:49

dirtydog said:
Our electoral system means that your post is nonsense I'm afraid.

How so? A vote for a party other than Labour is more of a chance of them being toppled from power. It also means that they have less people to pick from when they fix the election results.

Sankari · 27 May 2008 at 16:51

Visage said:
What government coerced media?

I think he means the Guardian. Ooops, I guess he means the Independent. Sorry, it must have been the Times. Or was it the Telegraph?

It's just so hard to tell with all these "government coerced media" constantly spewing positive, upbeat stories about the constant successes of the Labour administration.

dirtydog · 27 May 2008 at 16:51

mejinks said:
How so? A vote for a party other than Labour is more of a chance of them being toppled from power.

Not with first past the post. If you don't vote for the winning candidate then your vote doesn't count for anything. Labour only got about 35% in the last general election - two thirds of people voted against them.

Dolph · 27 May 2008 at 16:52

mejinks said:
How so? A vote for a party other than Labour is more of a chance of them being toppled from power. It also means that they have less people to pick from when they fix the election results.

Because for many people, the first past the post system means their vote is always going to be wasted, and that the makeup of parliament is totally unrepresentative of votes cast or public desire?

We should have had a hung parliament for the last 11 years, not a massive labour majority, if the makeup of parliament matched the vote. (Same before that as well, and for at least some of Maggie's reign too).

Not to mention that no-one here voted for a labour party led by Brown.

dirtydog · 27 May 2008 at 16:53

This is why it always annoys me when people say we deserve the government we have, because 'well you voted for them' - no, we didn't actually.

colinuk · 27 May 2008 at 16:54

I guess half the problem is that the haulage firms in the UK pay about £1000 to fill up a truck, the French,Germans and Spainish pay about £600 due to fuel cost differences. So you see, UK firms are not on a level playing field, hence why they will go to the wall. Its not just the cost of fuel, but the fact that other firms have got access to cheaper fuel and can and do travel to the UK to haul goods around at a cheaper price.

Best thing to do, all cover your number plates, head to a petrol staion, fill up - run for it... you all get a full tank of fuel and think of the non payment as a refund

<ColiN>

dirtydog · 27 May 2008 at 16:55

colinuk said:
I guess half the problem is that the haulage firms in the UK pay about £1000 to fill up a truck, the French,Germans and Spainish pay about £600 due to fuel cost differences. So you see, UK firms are not on a level playing field, hence why they will go to the wall. Its not just the cost of fuel, but the fact that other firms have got access to cheaper fuel and can and do travel to the UK to haul goods around at a cheaper price.

Best thing to do, all cover your number plates, head to a petrol staion, fill up - run for it... you all get a full tank of fuel and think of the non payment as a refund

<ColiN>

Except that just rips off innocent petrol station franchisees and does nothing to hurt the government who are the ones ripping us off.

monkeyspank · 27 May 2008 at 16:55

K.C. Leblanc said:
Because we all voted for Gordon Brown and his special bend on crisis managment.

He wasn't even an option on the paper, how could anyone vote for him?

dirtydog · 27 May 2008 at 16:57

monkeyspank said:
He wasn't even an option on the paper, how could anyone vote for him?

I think that was his point

Visage · 27 May 2008 at 16:59

dirtydog said:
Not with first past the post. If you don't vote for the winning candidate then your vote doesn't count for anything. Labour only got about 35% in the last general election - two thirds of people voted against them.

And an even greater proportion voted 'against' the other parties. Whats your point?

Visage · 27 May 2008 at 17:01

Dolph said:
Not to mention that no-one here voted for a labour party led by Brown.

And outside of Huntingdon, Sedgefield and Grantham no-one has voted for a British PM for the last 30 years. Whats your point?

Outcast · 27 May 2008 at 17:02

Have a read of The strange death of David kelly.
The media is suppressed and coerced as and when required.

Doesn't matter afterwards.

Dolph · 27 May 2008 at 17:05

Visage said:
And outside of Huntingdon, Sedgefield and Grantham no-one has voted for a British PM for the last 30 years. Whats your point?

Which answers my point how? I put that no-one voted for a party led by Brown, not that no-one voted for Brown. They voted for Labour led by Blair, with his policies, not one led by Brown

Visage · 27 May 2008 at 17:05

Outcast said:
Have a read of The strange death of David kelly.
The media is suppressed and coerced as and when required.

Doesn't matter afterwards.

Im out of tinfoil at the moment. Maybe later, eh?