I Support the lorry drivers thread

Why aren't the hauliers who are protesting asking for a rebate for everyone that buys fuel. They are calling for a "essential user" rebate aimed at hauliers.

Looking after number one.

This is why Jo Motorist should organise their own protests.

Actually everyone would benefit by it anyway as no extra cost gets passed on to Jo public.
 
Global demand: Roughly 87 million barrels of oil a day.
Global production: Roughly 85 million barrels a day.
Slack in the system: Roughly not a lot.
Result? Prices must rise until demand = production.

Here endeth the lesson in free market economics.

Global petrol price per litre: less than in the UK
UK price for per litre: mostly comprising of tax

Here endeth the lesson in how our government are ripping us off as the price per barrel is the same for everyone.
 
Its pointless saying 'The government should cut fuel tax' without either suggesting:

a) Which portions of government expenditure should be cut
or b) Which other taxes should rise to compensate.

Personally I'd nominate Trident. 76 billion quid of savings right there.
 
Its pointless saying 'The government should cut fuel tax' without either suggesting:

a) Which portions of government expenditure should be cut
or b) Which other taxes should rise to compensate.

Personally I'd nominate Trident. 76 billion quid of savings right there.

Thats about the total income tax take (for 2006 anyway).
 
Why aren't the hauliers who are protesting asking for a rebate for everyone that buys fuel. They are calling for a "essential user" rebate aimed at hauliers.

Looking after number one.

I think it's a matter of fighting the fights you can win. Asking for a rebate for everyone will just get slapped down as unreasonable.
 
I would love a 3p drop thanks. Would help me out thats for sure.

Its pointless saying 'The government should cut fuel tax' without either suggesting:

a) Which portions of government expenditure should be cut
or b) Which other taxes should rise to compensate.

Personally I'd nominate Trident. 76 billion quid of savings right there.

With the global price increase and the extra VAT take that follows the government could cut the tax by 12 pence per litre and still balance the books.
 
[TW]Fox;11765480 said:
Given that the only place energy costs are going over the next decade is further up, perhaps now would be a good time to start reorganising your life such that such enormous mileages are no longer neccesary. Such commuting patterns are unsustainable in the long term and the sooner you take steps to avoid it the better prepared you will be.

Do feel free to offer excuses/have a pop at me for that, but by doing so you'll be missing the point - fuel costs WILL rise more.

When you have a clue about my life, other than what I drive, feel free to tell me to reorganise it.
Thankfully (and this will be a shock to you fox) I earn a decent wage, enough to not really be bothered about fuel prices at the moment. I disagree with the cost of fuel and would love to pay less (as we all would) but its not the biggest problem in my life, especially as im already aware that it will keep going up regardless.

If i really gave a damn about the cost of fuel I wouldnt have bought the 306, I would have bought a diesel barge, instead I bought something that was more relevent to what it would be used for (roof down with enough seats that actually get used).

Next time im looking to buy a car I might consider what it will be used for and whether at that point of time it will be worth getting a diesel, until then I will continue to buy uneconomical vehicles because i can :]
 
Its pointless saying 'The government should cut fuel tax' without either suggesting:

a) Which portions of government expenditure should be cut
or b) Which other taxes should rise to compensate.

Personally I'd nominate Trident. 76 billion quid of savings right there.

I'd go for huge reforms of benefits and unnecessary government provided services personally. I can see the value of the nuclear detterant. I can't see the value of paying for people who can't be bothered to work to stay at home and pop out children, or the value of having government monopolies on things that are better and more efficiently provided (and therefore cheaper) by the private sector.
 
With the global price increase and the extra VAT take that follows the government could cut the tax by 12 pence per litre and still balance the books.

...According to the Daily Express ;)

You'll forgive me if I take their grasp of economics with a pinch of salt....
 
[TW]Fox;11765619 said:
The answer I suspected :) Ah well :)

We'll have the same thread again in 10 years time I suppose.

The answer you suspected? What else was I going to say?
'Oh no's, im on minimum wage and the fuel price is destroying me!!!' Sorry fox, thats not me, I'm not on minimum wage (well, actually im on less!) and I'm not struggling to pay for my fuel.
 
So why moan about how you are noticing the increase in the price of fuel if clearly, as you say, you are not becuase you are comfortable enough for it not to be an issue? You gave the impression that, like most others in this thread, the price of the fuel at the moment is beginning to hurt.

It was an opportunity to bring a more general point into the thread anyway - people in general must rethink the distances they are willing to commute by car becuase a society built on 100-200 mile a day commutes is unsustainable and the key reason the US is hurting so much at the moment from fuel price increases.
 
[TW]Fox;11765671 said:
So why moan about how you are noticing the increase in the price of fuel if clearly, as you say, you are not becuase you are comfortable enough for it not to be an issue? You gave the impression that, like most others in this thread, the price of the fuel at the moment is beginning to hurt.

Eh?
Moaning? I said I would love 3p back per litre. Is that classed as moaning these days?
I said I noticed it, which I do, as anyone who fills up every couple of days would notice it.

Earning a half decent wage suddenly means that I should lose touch with things?
Do people only notice things if they are causing hardship?
 
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[TW]Fox;11765671 said:
It was an opportunity to bring a more general point into the thread anyway - people in general must rethink the distances they are willing to commute by car becuase a society built on 100-200 mile a day commutes is unsustainable and the key reason the US is hurting so much at the moment from fuel price increases.

Surely businesses should consider the need for having so many people working in offices and look to relocate to a place that is more accessible, or bring in better ways of working (home working etc).

If i moved closer to the place I work then it would mean disrupting my wife and my child, it would also mean me paying more for a place to live which would cancel out the savings made on fuel.
 
Surely businesses should consider the need for having so many people working in offices or look to relocate to a place that is more accessible

I completely agree. Frankly with the jobs most people do these days there is little technical reason why homeworking cannot be adopted on a huge scale - its only the inherent distrust most employers have of their employees that prevents this.
 
[TW]Fox;11765739 said:
I completely agree. Frankly with the jobs most people do these days there is little technical reason why homeworking cannot be adopted on a huge scale - its only the inherent distrust most employers have of their employees that prevents this.

Completely, but there are ways to make a lot of businesses still monitor the work that is being done, yes it will cost money but its more than possible.

Hell, call centres send calls to foreign countries (or to UK based outsourcing companies) utilising things like VMWare and voip, same can be done for home working call centre agents, without losing any of the targetted stats that they rely on.

lol

You guys just want your bosses to pay for a T1 line into your homes !!

(Not a bad idea)

Who needs T1 these days? BB is more than capable in terms of speed, just make sure you are utilising decent security to access remote networks.
If there is a need for QoS or anything then yes, something like a managed line would be needed.
 
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