I want a Digital SLR

Topcat said:
Then there will come a point where you want to upgrade the camera..
tell me about it, I'm on my 5th SLR.

Topcat said:
Both Canon and Nikon have a history of making Fantastics cameras. Sony don't, but they do have the help from Minolta. So there are Rumours of other models, will that make them good, no idea possibly not.. Sigma for instance make great lenses but their cameras never get the same recognition.
Actually Sony do - they make very good digital "compacts" etc. & they are the dominant force in camcorders, broadcast quality cameras ...
Nikon (& many others) use Sony sensors.
What they didn't have was any SLR/DSLR expertise but they bought Minolta's division lock, stock, barrel & employees & you can quite easily argue that Minolta was the most innovative SLR manufacturer & kept CaNikon on their toes.
& there are 2 confirmed new models, not rumours although there are rumours of more than 2 new models.

With Canon and Nikon, assuming there's no disaster, you can pretty much assume you'll have a great camera to choose from.
Oh yes?
 
BUFF said:


And!? Its lenses than make a camera not a body.

All the shots in that thing looked fine to me :/

What are 1Ds going to be used for, newspapers at nowhere near 100% crop?

Your not going to buy something bad when you buy a 350/400D, all very very good cameras, I love mine :D
 
Jono said:
Kinda have my eyes on a 400D (body only?) and Sigma 17-70mm F2.8-4.5 DC Macro lens.

Thoughts?

I have a tripod, but I'll need CF cards... what else?

You could perhaps consider the Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 which comes in at about £15 more than the 17-70, and is an EX series lens. It is rated on par with the Canon 17-40 f/4L, and sometimes better. There's also the tamron 17-50mm f/2.8, but this costs a little more.

I had the 17-70 for my 20D for a couple of months. It was leagues ahead of the kit lens in every way. Whilst it was a very versatile lens, there were some image quality issues (terrible purple fringing was one thing that I found annoying). It wasn't bad, but the 17-40 f/4L I now have knocks spots off it in every way.
 
Concorde Rules said:
And!? Its lenses than make a camera not a body.
well, it's both - put a cracking lens on a body that can't focus & it's no better than putting an average lens on one that can.

But it was posted in reply to a comment saying that you could assume that a Canon would be a great camera & here we have an extremely recent professional grade Canon that has what to many would be a significant problem especially if you have 1000s invested in L glass or equivalent & it's your livelihood.

Your not going to buy something bad when you buy a 350/400D, all very very good cameras, I love mine :D
& you aren't going to buy something bad with a Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sony etc. either, there are no genuinely bad DSLRs these days.
 
Camera manufacturers all have seperate systems, and this must be taken into account when buying into said system.

Some are obviously more established than others, and have better support for their DSLR systems (namely Nikon and Canon). Then there are the other less 'popular' manufacturers who want a slice of the pie. Fair enough, they offer things that can compete with the big guns, to an extent. The main problem is that lenses and accesories can be hard to get hold of for smaller brands, and often there is less choice anyway. There is also a less clear upgrade path, with camera bodies topping out at enthusiast level thus offering less choice in the future. This may well be due to change, but at the moment that's how things are.

Pentax/Sony/Olympus et al have less 'in house' support than Canon or Nikon. Often equivalent lenses and accessories to what the larger brands offer are priced at a premium. Fair enough though, there is third party support from Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and others, which helps.

The 1DMKIII may have teething troubles at least, but no self respecting, sane professional would throw away all their gear to buy something by a less supported brand that they're not used to using. They'd just use a different model, say the 1D MKII N.

To me, and many others, it makes most sense to buy into something already well established.

You can't go wrong buying into any brand, but it's wise to look at what's available and go from there. A 400D is a great choice for a camera, you won't be disappointed ;)
 
Thanks for all the replies. I'm still undecided, but I might just go for a camera of whatever kind - still don't know if I want a 400D or D40X - but either, I might just go for the body and kit lens. And see how I get on.
 
Jono said:
Thanks for all the replies. I'm still undecided, but I might just go for a camera of whatever kind - still don't know if I want a 400D or D40X - but either, I might just go for the body and kit lens. And see how I get on.

That's the way I did it, just got the camera and kit lens, and then had a look at what I was mostly taking photos of. From there I bought lenses to suit my needs.
 
Jono said:
Thanks for all the replies. I'm still undecided, but I might just go for a camera of whatever kind - still don't know if I want a 400D or D40X - but either, I might just go for the body and kit lens. And see how I get on.

Hehe, I see im slowly winning you over to my thinking. Get camera + kit lens to start with, then go from there. As for camera, I would say try them both and if you feel comfortable with the 400D then go with that, if not go for the D40x. :)
 
Yarr you people that I've ninjad onto my msn list have been amazingly awesome :) so thank you very very much. You know who you are :D
 
dark_shadow said:
Try both and go with whichever you think feels right in your hands.

I like white choc chip cookies, send a few my way :)
Big hairy nipples wang!

I was pretty much decided on the canon and went into a shop with purple-shirted purveyors of personal computerage and held both again (but they were attached to a wall via anti-thievery devices) - the canon felt crap, nikon much better.

What do I need to be aware of (again?) with the AF motor and lenses for Nikon? It doesn't have one?

I'm gonna go to another ye olde camera shoppe after work and have an unmolested camera feeling contest.

Stupid cameras.
 
The D40/D40x don't have internal focusing motors. Therefore to AF you need to use lenses with inbuilt focusing motors, ie; AF-S, AF-I, HSM. Not a great problem imo.
 
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