I went from OLED to Mini LED

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As posted in a previous thread, my LG B7 OLED is suffering from premature pixel wear and as such the image has an awful green tint.

Richer Sounds have basically said it's not covered by their warranty, but if I get it repaired via LG they'll refund me. This service is currently suspended and so it could be the end of April before I get it sorted. This is from an issue that started in early February.

So as a result I did a decent amount of research and decided to buy a TCL C835 mini LED TV.

I'll get the OLED repaired and sell it on to offset some of the cost of my new TV.

I will say that I also considered buying another OLED as prices have come down significantly since I paid £1300 in 2018 for my B7. But considering I didn't have the usual concerns of buying an OLED originally, I certainly do now after owning one for five years.

I'm not here to justify my purchase to myself, rather just share my thoughts on the difference between the two technologies.

The short answer is that I am extremely impressed by the TCL TV in terms of image quality compared to my OLED. To the point that, other than a few edge case scenarios, I can't tell the difference.

Yes, when watching a film on 4k Blu-ray there was some slight blooming on the white text against a solid black background, it wasn't particularly egregious and when the titles were over and the film started, I didn't notice any blooming at all. It just looked like I was watching on my old OLED, but brighter.

Now you might say it's a bit unfair to compare a 2017 OLED against a 2022 mini LED TV. But that's all reference I have and to my eyes, under everyday viewing of broadcast TV, streaming services and 4k Blu-ray's, it's fair to say that there's little to choose between them.

I will say the LG feels and looks more premium, it has a better remote control and I prefer LG's OS to Android TV. That's not because I'm more used to one over the other, as my Nvidia Shield is very similar to the TCL.

Not that LG's premium feel counts for much when you consider the first panel developed red vertical lines within the first 12 months and had the panel replaced. And the replacement panel has lasted less than four years with well below average usage.

Sound on the LG is probably better too, but that's marginal and not really of importance to me, as I have an AV receiver and 5.1.2 speaker setup.

TLDR:

Current mini LED TVs puts up a very good fight against an OLED TV and you should at least consider them if you're in the market for a new TV. Particularly when you consider the price difference, and that even though OLED TV's have got better, the mini LED is brighter and won't suffer from image retention or pixel wear that an OLED might.

Oh, and CEC HDMI needs to die in a fire no matter what TV or AV equipment you buy.
 
Just beware MiniLED has its own issues as noted in the recent Rtings test update. They include things like the panels losing significant amounts of brightness over time and LEDs even dying creating dark spots and lines of dim pixels. While OLEDs aren't as bright they so far in Rtings testing are able to maintain their brightness; where as MiniLED starts out super bright and then after 12-24 months they've lost much of the brightness advantage
 
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TLDR:

Current mini LED TVs puts up a very good fight against an OLED TV and you should at least consider them if you're in the market for a new TV. Particularly when you consider the price difference, and that even though OLED TV's have got better, the mini LED is brighter and won't suffer from image retention or pixel wear that an OLED might.

Based on the rest of your post, it's perhaps more fair to say "Current MiniLED TV puts up a very good fight against a 2017 OLED TV" or arguably even "Current MiniLED TV puts up a very good fight against a 2017 OLED TV with several years of usage"

Lets not pretend that OLED hasn't also been developing and improving in the 5 or 6 years since the B7 generation was released, particularly with regards to things like pixel wear and image retention.

I can understand why you'd personally avoid OLED after suffering issues on earlier generation tech but its not something that would concern me owning a C9 generation OLED, which is fairing very well with moderate to heavy usage, including gaming.

edit - that being said - I think it's hard to buy a bad TV these days unless you're really tightening the purse strings, even stuff that's semi-budget oriented now is providing quality you'd be paying through the nose for 4 or 5 years ago.
 
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I was going to post saying that most TV-size (as opposed to PC monitor size) miniLEDs don't have the high refresh rates that OLED TVs have. Then I realised I'm totally wrong because the one you bought has a 144Hz refresh, so now I'm curious about things like pixel response times. Would be interesting to see a modern (i.e. from the last 2 or 3 years) LG OLED up against your new miniLED in the blurbusters UFO motion tests (link) to compare how they handle fast motion at high refresh rate. Of course you'd have to see this test in person.
 
Just beware MiniLED has its own issues as noted in the recent Rtings test update. They include things like the panels losing significant amounts of brightness over time and LEDs even dying creating dark spots and lines of dim pixels. While OLEDs aren't as bright they so far in Rtings testing are able to maintain their brightness; where as MiniLED starts out super bright and then after 12-24 months they've lost much of the brightness advantage

The stand out for me is still QD-LED VA - the brightness and colour really brings scenes to life even if there is the trade off of elevated blacks compared to OLED - though in HDR mode it isn't too bad for that - sadly not something photos can convey.

Aside from the BGR pixel layout or other odd layouts they don't seem to have the downsides far to many of the alternatives have.
 
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Totally agree.

I only have two points of reference and I know from reading reviews that newer OLED TVs have gotten brighter and are more resilient than older ones.

But my personal issues with OLED have definitely put me off and switching to a non OLED TV hasn't been the massive step down it would've been five years ago.
 
I have a LG G1 OLED tv that i have used for 2 years everyday as a monitor and the only thing that bothers be is the judder in panning motion shots. The picture quality is amazing. 4k dolby vision movies and 4k hdr gaming is unreal.
The pixel cleaner has run twice, it runs every 2000hrs so ive used the tv a lot and it shows no sign of degradation yet.
If i could get oled picture quality with perfect motion id be happy.
 
Just beware MiniLED has its own issues as noted in the recent Rtings test update. They include things like the panels losing significant amounts of brightness over time and LEDs even dying creating dark spots and lines of dim pixels.

This is the same thing as burn in, except that with Mini LED, there obviously aren’t as many zones as an OLED.


Burn in is, in essence, uneven pixel wearing, where some pixels are illuminated more than others.


FALD backlights also have to illuminate at different rates, so some areas can suffer from decreased brightness compared to others :-)
 
Just ordered the TCL 835 so interested to see the opinions. Any recommendations on picture settings?
After a couple of weeks of using the TV, I'll say I have no complaints over the picture and the speakers are passable for a TV. But the OS is seriously lacking in my opinion.

Pressing the options button for the first time after the TV has been switched on doesn't work properly. There's other niggles with other buttons that flash on the options and then go off and require a second press. This seems to be only when the TV has just been switched on.

eARC doesn't play nicely with my AV receiver and audio is randomly out of sync despite the same settings being applied. I don't get any audio from the Virgin Media box at all via eARC unless I enable CEC control on the TV.

To get eARC to play properly with my Nvidia Shield connected to the AVR I need the audio settings to be set to ARC and pass through on the TV. Then when in turn the AVR off and just want the TV speakers I have to change the setting back to AUTO. Otherwise I don't get any sound from TV speakers. And I have to turn CEC off otherwise when the TV is on it turns the AVR on automatically, even if power control is disabled.

eARC doesn't send lossless audio from TV apps to my AVR. Even connecting the Nvidia Shield to the TV, eARC doesn't send lossless audio to the AVR via any apps that support lossless audio, such as Plex. So either it's completely broken or it will only work with a Blu-ray player or other non app based source, which I haven't tried yet.

CEC and eARC/ARC are so broken on this TV that I've been tempted to send it back at times. Maybe it's an Android problem in general rather than specific to TCL, but it's definitely tested my patience to the limit.
 
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I almost did the same when my c8 suffered YouTube burnin and a little of uneven wear in the centre.

Only thing that stopped me pulling the plug on a Samsung was the lack of Dolby Vision.

Going to run this TV into the ground and have a look in a year or two.
 
My Mini LED tv is an LG and I have no issues with eArc it also has Dolby Vision. Tbh I have been way more impressed with it than I thought I would be coming from an C9 OLED.
 
It never even crossed my mind to check out LG offerings.

I dunno why.

Just had the q90 in my head as the must have mini LED

Tbh I had never thought of it before either. I noticed the 75QNED916PA was on offer at Costco so decided to go for it I wanted a 75” and this was far cheaper than the equivalent OLED. I was expecting to send it back especially as I was coming from a very nice C9 OLED but I have been more than happy with it and actually prefer the picture.
 
Also a recently bought the C835, loving almost everything about it but I'm getting occasional Freesync flicker when it's hooked up to the PC (Nvidia 3060ti). Anyone else noticed this?
 
I have a LG G1 OLED tv that i have used for 2 years everyday as a monitor and the only thing that bothers be is the judder in panning motion shots. The picture quality is amazing. 4k dolby vision movies and 4k hdr gaming is unreal.
The pixel cleaner has run twice, it runs every 2000hrs so ive used the tv a lot and it shows no sign of degradation yet.
If i could get oled picture quality with perfect motion id be happy.
Judder you say? This is something that drives me mad. its usually caused by the frame rate of the video, not matching the frame rate of the tv. For example a 24p video (usually 23.976fps) playing back on a tv that is refreshing at 60 hz.

Or is there something specific to oled that causes this issue?
 
Judder you say? This is something that drives me mad. its usually caused by the frame rate of the video, not matching the frame rate of the tv. For example a 24p video (usually 23.976fps) playing back on a tv that is refreshing at 60 hz.

Or is there something specific to oled that causes this issue?

On OLEDs it’s because the pixel response time is so quick.

24Hz isn’t quick enough to provide smooth motion - you just don’t usually notice on an LCD TV because they don’t have as good motion clarity.
 
Hmmm... if thats the case, im surprised it isnt complained about more than it is. Most modern content is 24p.

Thanks for that, ill be sure to test that thoroughly when investigating the new tv. Im still on a plasma at the moment.
 
Hmmm... if thats the case, im surprised it isnt complained about more than it is. Most modern content is 24p.

Thanks for that, ill be sure to test that thoroughly when investigating the new tv. Im still on a plasma at the moment.

There are settings on most OLEDs which allow you to minimise this.


I don’t notice it that much, only during panning shots, and I’m REALLY funny about judder/stutter.


I’ve got an NVIDIA Shield for example, which doesn’t have native frame rate matching, meaning 24 Hz gets sent to the TV at 60 Hz - I haven’t used it since I got it for any TV streaming for this reason.
 
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