Just bought a P193 in the inet.
Should be home soon
is it any good then mate? mine a week away from ordering
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is it any good then mate? mine a week away from ordering
Hello,
Sorry for the late response. I've been trying things here and there with the new system and forgot about mail and everything (Had some problems with Win 7 and its beta drivers).
OK, so to what you really need to know:
The Noctua fits, but as the other guy says, it touches the side panel.
So when you mount the fans in your Noctua, remember to put them as low as you can. If you place them too high, you wont be able to close the case.
Not too much of a problem if you fail the first time (as I did), but it will take you 10-15 mins to change them.
Noctua NH-U12P:
About temperatures. Here are my results (after 5-10 mins of running prime95 (x64) on Win7(x64)):
Standard (BCLK 133Mhz with boost enabled):
CPU (x21 @ 2800Mhz): 60ºC
MB: 33ºC
BCLK 150 Mhz (with boost):
CPU (x21 @ 3150): 62ºC
MB: 34ºC
BCLK 167 Mhz (with boost):
CPU (x21 @ 3500): 70ºC (65 adding an extra fan Noctua NF-P12 in the front upper chamber)
MB: 36ºC (32 with extra fan)
BCLK 183 Mhz (without boost):
CPU (x20 @ 3657): 73ºC
MB: 36ºC
BCLK 190 (without boost):
CPU (x20 @ 3800): 90ºC (87 with extra fan)
MB: 36ºC (32 with extra fan).
BCLK 190 (3.8 Ghz core clock) was not stable for me at this temp, but I had everything but BCLK set on auto on the motherboard. Might work with some tweaking.
Hope this helped.
Also, I have to tell that unfortunately for me, one of the top fans in the Antec P193 had a blade too long (yes, too big for the fan) and it broke. I made all the measures with the fan with a broken blade. After doing those initial tests I posted here, I removed the fan and sent it for a replacement. Probably you wont have the same problem.
Broken Antec 140mm fan:
Good luck!
If you have any questions, just ask
Sorry for the late response. I've been trying things here and there with the new system and forgot about mail and everything (Had some problems with Win 7 and its beta drivers).
OK, so to what you really need to know:
The Noctua fits, but as the other guy says, it touches the side panel.
So when you mount the fans in your Noctua, remember to put them as low as you can. If you place them too high, you wont be able to close the case.
Not too much of a problem if you fail the first time (as I did), but it will take you 10-15 mins to change them.
Noctua NH-U12P:
About temperatures. Here are my results (after 5-10 mins of running prime95 (x64) on Win7(x64)):
Standard (BCLK 133Mhz with boost enabled):
CPU (x21 @ 2800Mhz): 60ºC
MB: 33ºC
BCLK 150 Mhz (with boost):
CPU (x21 @ 3150): 62ºC
MB: 34ºC
BCLK 167 Mhz (with boost):
CPU (x21 @ 3500): 70ºC (65 adding an extra fan Noctua NF-P12 in the front upper chamber)
MB: 36ºC (32 with extra fan)
BCLK 183 Mhz (without boost):
CPU (x20 @ 3657): 73ºC
MB: 36ºC
BCLK 190 (without boost):
CPU (x20 @ 3800): 90ºC (87 with extra fan)
MB: 36ºC (32 with extra fan).
BCLK 190 (3.8 Ghz core clock) was not stable for me at this temp, but I had everything but BCLK set on auto on the motherboard. Might work with some tweaking.
Hope this helped.
Also, I have to tell that unfortunately for me, one of the top fans in the Antec P193 had a blade too long (yes, too big for the fan) and it broke. I made all the measures with the fan with a broken blade. After doing those initial tests I posted here, I removed the fan and sent it for a replacement. Probably you wont have the same problem.
Broken Antec 140mm fan:
Good luck!
If you have any questions, just ask
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Thank for the information dude! all my part come this week! some delays with my order!! ill post some picture up in a week or 2
with the antec fans! i replace the top two with thermaltake turbo fans(a2491)! only at 16dba, 1000rpm,50cfm.
with the rear fan i place a noctua fan(all noctua are quiet).
at the front ill have 2 noctua fans nf-p series and a scythe kaze server fan controller. it will controll the 200mm fan, 2 at front.
cant wait to get my case! you feel it money worth spent on case. ill find out if it is by this week!
dude thank for the information
one more thing. what was your spec in the end?
with the rear fan i place a noctua fan(all noctua are quiet).
at the front ill have 2 noctua fans nf-p series and a scythe kaze server fan controller. it will controll the 200mm fan, 2 at front.
cant wait to get my case! you feel it money worth spent on case. ill find out if it is by this week!
dude thank for the information
one more thing. what was your spec in the end?
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Sorry again. Didn't get my mail fully working until today.
Will receive mails about updates in this thread from now on, so will reply faster next time (hopefully).
Here go my specs:
Intel Core i7 920 C0 Stepping (might be C1, as CPU-z can't tell me exactly which one it is and I don't know another way to look).
Asus P6T Workstation Professional
Antec P193 (added a Noctua NF-12P on the upper chamber, got another for the lower that I have not installed yet)
12 Gb (6x2048 Mb)OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum (1600Mhz) Low-Voltage Triple Channel Low Latency (7-7-7-24)
Antec CP 850
2x Hitachi Desktar 7K1000.B 1TB (Only installed 1 so far, as I'm using the other as backup from my old system. Will make a RAID-0 later when I'm sure everything is fine)
Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 CPU Cooler (used the thermal paste that comes with it)
EVGA GTX285 (1GB DDR3)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro (I've had this for some years now).
Other optional hardware I have installed in the case:
Pioneer DVD burner
Antec Veris Premier (this was not installed when I did the temperature tests in the previous post)
OS installed:
Windows Xp SP3 32 bits
Vista Business SP2 64-Bits
Windows 7 RC 64 bits
Hope I didnt forget to put anything.
Will receive mails about updates in this thread from now on, so will reply faster next time (hopefully).
Here go my specs:
Intel Core i7 920 C0 Stepping (might be C1, as CPU-z can't tell me exactly which one it is and I don't know another way to look).
Asus P6T Workstation Professional
Antec P193 (added a Noctua NF-12P on the upper chamber, got another for the lower that I have not installed yet)
12 Gb (6x2048 Mb)OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 Platinum (1600Mhz) Low-Voltage Triple Channel Low Latency (7-7-7-24)
Antec CP 850
2x Hitachi Desktar 7K1000.B 1TB (Only installed 1 so far, as I'm using the other as backup from my old system. Will make a RAID-0 later when I'm sure everything is fine)
Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 CPU Cooler (used the thermal paste that comes with it)
EVGA GTX285 (1GB DDR3)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro (I've had this for some years now).
Other optional hardware I have installed in the case:
Pioneer DVD burner
Antec Veris Premier (this was not installed when I did the temperature tests in the previous post)
OS installed:
Windows Xp SP3 32 bits
Vista Business SP2 64-Bits
Windows 7 RC 64 bits
Hope I didnt forget to put anything.
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BTW, can you please check when you install the Noctua if it has any transparent plastic sheet protecting the cpu contact zone?
I think mine only had a big piece of plastic, but now Im worried there could be some plastic sheet pasted to the CPU contact zone that I didnt look for and wouldnt want to remove everything only to check that.
Thanks.
I think mine only had a big piece of plastic, but now Im worried there could be some plastic sheet pasted to the CPU contact zone that I didnt look for and wouldnt want to remove everything only to check that.
Thanks.
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Another note:
I installed the (beta) Windows 7 version of the Probe II utility from the Asus site and it didnt work for me (the error was something about Aacenter.exe crashing). Using the Vista 64 version of Probe II in compatibility mode worked.
I installed the (beta) Windows 7 version of the Probe II utility from the Asus site and it didnt work for me (the error was something about Aacenter.exe crashing). Using the Vista 64 version of Probe II in compatibility mode worked.
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Also, you might want to take a look at the Core i7 overclocking guide in the Asus forums:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx..._id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx..._id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
Hello again.
My final spec for my pc is
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping
Asus P6t deluxe v2
Antec P193 (dont have any fans installed yet, waiting for the scythe kaze server fan controller)
6 Gb OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600Mhz) Low-Voltage Triple Channel Low Latency (8-8-8-24)
Antec CP 850
Vista 64.
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB
Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 CPU Cooler (I used Noctua thermal paste but i felt the Temp was to high, so used articsliver 5. there a good difference. the paste was more easy to use.)
260 geforce sli
i changed the two top fans with thermaltake fans 140mm. 16dba pushing 50cfm.
but my temp still go way over 90c at 3.8mz on stress test on everest porgram... but i have no idea how to clock, i just changed the the BCLK to 180 and everything on auto.. but im not gonna be maxin all the cores, just simple games and photoshop.
at the moment my cpu idle at 49. stress it goes to 90c.
how did you apply your thermal paste, looks like ur got better temp then i have, i used the articsliver guide. i might take my cpu out again and apply thermal paste on again, i dont think my paste is even enough, 2 cores sit at 49c, while the other two sit at 47c lol
My final spec for my pc is
Intel Core i7 920 D0 Stepping
Asus P6t deluxe v2
Antec P193 (dont have any fans installed yet, waiting for the scythe kaze server fan controller)
6 Gb OCZ DDR3 PC3-12800 (1600Mhz) Low-Voltage Triple Channel Low Latency (8-8-8-24)
Antec CP 850
Vista 64.
Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB
Noctua NH-U12P SE1366 CPU Cooler (I used Noctua thermal paste but i felt the Temp was to high, so used articsliver 5. there a good difference. the paste was more easy to use.)
260 geforce sli
i changed the two top fans with thermaltake fans 140mm. 16dba pushing 50cfm.
but my temp still go way over 90c at 3.8mz on stress test on everest porgram... but i have no idea how to clock, i just changed the the BCLK to 180 and everything on auto.. but im not gonna be maxin all the cores, just simple games and photoshop.
at the moment my cpu idle at 49. stress it goes to 90c.
how did you apply your thermal paste, looks like ur got better temp then i have, i used the articsliver guide. i might take my cpu out again and apply thermal paste on again, i dont think my paste is even enough, 2 cores sit at 49c, while the other two sit at 47c lol
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the only plastic part i know of was a 4 strip to place on of the heatsink to the fan does not touch the metal.
Not sure how to interpret this. You say you use Artic Silver and that it works best but later you say that it doesn't give as good results as mine with the Noctua one. Im not an expert in thermal pastes, but every review I have read says that the Noctua paste is better than Artic Silver in about 1 or 2 ºC under load. Still, 1-2 degrees does not seem like much to me, so if you feel its easier to apply I think you can keep using what you find easier.
The "default" 140mm Antec ones set at HIGH give 96.4 CFM with 32dba noise. I know its much noisier, but it's also twice as much airflow.
Also, the default 120mm Antec provides more Airflow than the Noctua when set to HIGH, but again the noise difference is huge (Noctua 19 db, Antec 30 db).
I only tried with Prime 95 as of yet.
Also, read the reply to the next quote, as it is related to this.
I used the same method for my initial tests.
I might try to fine tune it a bit using the guide I posted here before.
This is the link in case you want to try it out. It even has a list of values taken from a P6T Deluxe board, so you should be able to apply it easily:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx..._id=1&model=P6T+Deluxe&page=1&SLanguage=en-us
Another thing that just comes to my mind ...
Are you sure the CPU stays at 3.8 Mhz when setting the BCLK at 180?
That requires the use of turbo mode, and in my case, after few minutes the CPU heats up and turbo mode goes off (clock multiplier falls to 20 from the turbo 21) and the CPU runs at 3.6 Mhz until it can refresh. Same happened to other CPUs in the reviews I read (but, as far as I know, those CPUs where revision C0 as mine, and not D0 as yours).
In that case, you probably want to do a 3.3 Ghz overclock (3.5 Ghz with turbo mode enabled) setting the BCLK at 167. Turbo mode seemed to be always on for me at this setting, even using Prime 95 at max using 8 threads and the cpu reaching 70 ºC.
That setting is the best performance/consumption ratio.
An alternative is using BCLK 183 with turbo mode disabled (CPU at 3.6 Ghz) .
Might have something to do with the fans, thermal paste or even the fact that you have 2 graphics cards intead of 1 as I have. Or a combination of all of it.
I used the guide that comes with the Noctua NH-U12P.
Just applied a ball of thermal paste of the size they said (I think it was 5mm diameter, but you better check the guide) then pressed the heatsink a bit over the cpu while rotating it left and right a few times as the guide says. Then I took it off, looked if it was applied all over the surface. Noticed that it was not enough, so applied another ball in the middle, repeated the process and took it off again. Now it seemed that it was sufficient, so I put it on again, moved the thing left and right a few times more and fixed the heatsink.
Same happens to me, and from what I've seen in other reviews, the same happens to everyone. 1-2 degrees is normal.
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Yeah, I have those too.
I was asking about a protective plastic cover or something glued to the cpu contact zone that is used to protect that contact zone while the heatsink is in the box and is transported. That protective plastic should be removed before installing the heatsink.
It would be similar to some plastics that usually protects LCD displays in watches, videorecorders, dvdplayers, etc.
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@redleader, I dont know about your X58 mobo, but with the EX58 UD5, the turbo mode in the BIOS can be enabled so that it doesn't drop back down to the 20x multiplier...
All the turbo mode does is allow the multiplier to go to 21x, but if you have EIST and C1e enabled in your BIOS along with turbo mode it will drop back down to 20x multiplier..
So just disable both EIST and C1e functions in the BIOS to have the turbo mode enabled all the time... that is if this is possible on your mobo...
All the turbo mode does is allow the multiplier to go to 21x, but if you have EIST and C1e enabled in your BIOS along with turbo mode it will drop back down to 20x multiplier..
So just disable both EIST and C1e functions in the BIOS to have the turbo mode enabled all the time... that is if this is possible on your mobo...
Arr yeah! there was one on mine.
dude, thank for the information. i all so read the Noctua paste is better but maybe i didnt put enough on the cpu. i try out that one again! maybe.
one thing i have read about exhaust fans, they shouldnt be more powerful then your intake fans. reason being is, you need more cool air being pulled in then pushed out as quick. if u get my point.
Oh i got my cpu clocked at 3.6mz not 3.8mz.
no matter how much i read that guide it just dont make sense to me lol.
Thanks for the info.
The basic idea is to apply a layer as thin as you can, but covering all the area. The best possible thing would be perfect contact between the surface of the cpu and the surface of the heatsink. Since it is not possible, because the surfaces are never perfectly flat, there is the need for the thermal paste. But putting too much paste does not help at all. Just put the exact ammount needed to cover the surface but dont make it too thick.
Well, if you pull more air than you get in, the air enters thru other parts of the case to fill the void. Problem is the air enters thru other parts that is not just the dust filters.
I think that's perfect for the use you said you are going to give to your computer.
LoL. It's not a perfect guide but trust me, I've seen much worse
Yup, the P6T Workstation Professional can do that.
Might use it just for fun to check how much I can push it, but probably will leave it on for everyday use, as I dont want to increase my power bill.
Thanks for the info.
Finally got my temps undercontroll.
first time i got apply thermal paste it was to little then it was to much. now it just right.
redleader, what overclocks your running at?
i cant seem to get mine stable with prime95. running it for 4 hours then 1 works stop, rest went on for ages. so still not able enough.
first time i got apply thermal paste it was to little then it was to much. now it just right.
redleader, what overclocks your running at?
i cant seem to get mine stable with prime95. running it for 4 hours then 1 works stop, rest went on for ages. so still not able enough.