ICE Question

[Muffin`]

I've been looking around here and the net for information but unfortunately there's so infomation that I've ended up at a loss of what I actually need. I know what I want and that is not OE Honda speakers from 1995.

I've currently got an Alpine XDA-X311RR head unit for my iPod integration. I plan to do the whole install myself but I'm stuck on what to buy.

Ad has the same (ish) car as me and has this:

Headunit: New Pioneer 80PRS - NOMNOMNOM
Amp: - Serviced and modified Genesis Profile 2 - 2x110W+ @4Ohm.
Speakers - New JBL MS62C 2-Way component speakers (rave review @ Talk audio), or I mgiht get some Morel Tempo 6.
Setup - New wiring and lots of treatment on the tin can integra doors with deadening sheets to seal up the door and either machined Stainless or MDF chamfered baffles.

Is that a good bet? (Bar the HU, I plan to stick with it). Do I need to spend £400 or would I still get a good result from £250? My car is not refined in the slightest so I really don't want to fall into the 'You must get the best' mentatlity as I think it'll be a waste and the cheaper stuff can't be that bad but at the same time I don't want to buy a load of pish.

Thoughts? Suggestions? A Link or two and a message of 'You can't go wrong with that, it'll be reet'?

 

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Will reply tomorrow, just got back from a day trip to londonshire and a curry with the boys so am not functioning well after above and Berlin stag do this wrrrkend.


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[bledd]

Also interested since I'm going to be using my car for commuting soon.

All I plan to do is replace the front and rear speakers, should be a simple job yes..?

Remove panels, 'plug out' speakers, plug in speakers, refit panels?

 

[daveip]

Also interested since I'm going to be using my car for commuting soon.

All I plan to do is replace the front and rear speakers, should be a simple job yes..?

Remove panels, 'plug out' speakers, plug in speakers, refit panels?

Sometimes you can get custom fit jobbies from speaker manufacturers that will do exactly that. More often or not though, there will be some cutting of wires and/or using adaptors

 

[Will]

I'm just in shock that Ad has all that heavy stuff added to his car, yet bleats about the cruise control and other gubbins in the fn2 civic gt being so against the type r 'because race car' sort of ethos!

 

[Phantom Shadow]

If you're just after some better quality speakers then an amp, sound deadening etc could be excess to your requirements - it depends how high quality you want to go.

If you don't want loud then some high quality speakers designed to run off the head unit's amp would be a worthwhile upgrade.

As far as the suggested equipment above, you can't go wrong with a genesis amp and sound deadening for sound quality. I can't comment on the speakers as I have no experience of them. Morel Tempo I think i've seen mentioned several times at talkaudio as being high quality. Something like that would likely require an amp though which increases cost.

Does your car have factory tweeters? Otherwise you will also have to find somewhere to put them if you go for a component set, however components are the way to go if you want quality.

Currently running in my car: Hertz ESK570 2 way components, JL Audio JX360 2 channel amp, Pioneer 6400BT head unit, JL Audio 12W3v3 12" subwoofer in a home built enclosure, Genesis Profile Sub, as well as power wire to the boot, then split into the 2 amps, and a thicker gauge speaker wire than the standard stuff from the boot to the woofers and tweeters.

Sounds a long way better than the stock setup in my ford fiesta.

That's a thought, you'll want to get speakers that are known to provide a good mid-bass if you won't be running a sub woofer.

 

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Okay young Muffster I recommend............ actually I'd better deal with the below quote first:

I'm just in shock that Ad has all that heavy stuff added to his car, yet bleats about the cruise control and other gubbins in the fn2 civic gt being so against the type r 'because race car' sort of ethos!

-Ad- DC2 Weight Gain

1. Genesis amp and new wiring = +3kg
2. 6kg sound deadening to cover both front doors = +6kg

3. Removal of rear speakers and wiring = -3kg
4. Removal of sound deadening from boot and under rear bench = -5kg
5. Removal of useless brackets, heat shields etc = -5kg
6. Replacing cast mani with tubular Comptech = -17kg

Net weight gain after ICE install = -21kg

I've been looking around here and the net for information but unfortunately there's so infomation that I've ended up at a loss of what I actually need. I know what I want and that is not OE Honda speakers from 1995.

I've currently got an Alpine XDA-X311RR head unit for my iPod integration. I plan to do the whole install myself but I'm stuck on what to buy.

Is that a good bet? (Bar the HU, I plan to stick with it). Do I need to spend £400 or would I still get a good result from £250? My car is not refined in the slightest so I really don't want to fall into the 'You must get the best' mentatlity as I think it'll be a waste and the cheaper stuff can't be that bad but at the same time I don't want to buy a load of pish.

Thoughts? Suggestions? A Link or two and a message of 'You can't go wrong with that, it'll be reet'?

Stick with the Alpine as you're planning, seems like a good HU. Definitely get some component speakers and also consider an amp. All wiring and sound deadening (silent coat) can be had from Car Audio Direct.

If you're thinking of an amp then call Gorden @ Amp Doctor. He now services and sells modified Genesis amps and was one of the designers/builders so really does know what he's talking about. I mounted mine under the passenger seat quite easily and it cost about £140 delivered.

The JBL MS62C are sensational components and well worth the price of £150 (mine from Amazon). Adam Rayners' review at Talk Audio rates them up with the best at a fraction of the price, and with us talking about Tegs here, there is no need to spend more money on components as the lightweight tin can can only be improved soo much with some deadening!

But these will not fit directly as the bass-driver cage doesn't fit through the standard speaker cut out and the window WILL hit the speaker magnet once lowered. You'll need to cut away some of the standard speaker hole and make an MDF spacer as I did below.I can't find pics of the finished install but will take some more as I have a few bits to finish off still:

Sound Deadened Door

Speaker cutout mod

MDF spacers

The doorcards already have mark outs on the back for tweeters (well I know UKDM do) as you could get components as a factory extra. So no marking out is needed, all you need is the right hole saw.

Doorcard Cutout

You really should replace the standard wiring to the doors as it's almost hair strand thick. It's not the simplest, quickest or most fun job, but you can drill through the wiring loom connector in the door (plenty of redundant pins/sockets combinations) and feed the wiring through into the cabin. There's a guide on the American forums: Team Integra.

http://www.team-integra.net/forum/blogs/morningz/77-g3-running-new-speaker-wire-into-door.html

Do I need to spend £400 or would I still get a good result from £250? My car is not refined in the slightest so I really don't want to fall into the 'You must get the best' mentatlity as I think it'll be a waste and the cheaper stuff can't be that bad but at the same time I don't want to buy a load of pish.

You could spend less and not bother with an amp, utilising the HU output, but the amp will give you a much better sound and much better power handling ability. Just think how small the amp section of the HU will be! Putting in some better wiring is a must, even if it's just speakers to the HU. Not much cost but requires some fiddling around and feeding wires through annoying areas. Do it once, do it right!

Sound deadening in the doors is a must and will only add 3kg per door (Can buy a pack of Silent coat for £45). Otherwise the damn doors will just rattle as there's nothing to them!

So overall cost wise you'd be looking at Speakers (£150), Upgraded Genesis Profile 2 Amp (£140), Sound Deadening and Wiring (£60) = £350

Also interested since I'm going to be using my car for commuting soon.

All I plan to do is replace the front and rear speakers, should be a simple job yes..?

Remove panels, 'plug out' speakers, plug in speakers, refit panels?

Rip out the rear speakers and get some better front speakers in. It'll sound much better, plus it's easier to treat the door with a bit of sound deadening and reflection foam.

 

[Muffin`]

That's a cracking write up cheers for that. I'll go with what you suggest and see where I'm at, but that wire feed

 

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That's a cracking write up cheers for that. I'll go with what you suggest and see where I'm at, but that wire feed

Give me a shout if you need further help.

Yes it's a bit fidly, not as bad as it seems. I got some thin metal rod from B&Q , cut off 6inches and taped the cable to it. Not too bad feeding it through the boot and rubber, but you have to have the door fully open and access it from inside the arch unless you have tiny hands.

I managed it (with some swearing) and have huge hands


Plug that goes inside the door itself and is mounted in the direction it's pointing in picture (Drivers door).

Other plug that connects the door plug above through the rubber sheething between door and car body.

View from inside the drivers side arch looking back towards the door. Metal rod poking through, then you have to bend that and feed it into the car body on the right.

Much better than cutting a hole in the door though and bodging a grommet in.

 

[Phantom Shadow]

A metal rod! I could've used that advice a few months ago lol

just managed with some fiddling and taping the wire to the end of a screwdriver to get it through (one of the attachment ones so just had a flat square end, no risk of stabbing anything)