If enough people think something, does it become true?

terley said:
So my example is Donald Trump:

He is labelled primarily as:

-Racist
-Homophobic
-Misogynistic

Now if you do any research at all in to his past or current views-
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Then you will find that to be true, because he says racist/homophobic/misogynist things and supports people/groups who do.
 
terley said:
So i did want to avoid going into individual claims but on the "pussy-grabbing" thing, i don't claim that it didn't happen, but i do claim that it was a secret recording that he wasn't aware of..
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well you've got no basis to make that claim, go and watch the youtube clip again and you'll see that you're wrong, he's wired up for a TV microphone that he is aware he's wearing... maybe he then forgets about it and gets carried away, maybe he doesn't care... but no one has put it on him without his knowledge and it isn't like he needs to stop to turn it on before they start filming. The mocrohpne is there, they film the segment and then at the end, before Billy Bush needs to go, Trump has to stop to take the microphone off and give it to him - click on the below clip and see for yourself:

https://youtu.be/w3dLIRHZO3Y?t=346
 
TallPaul1878 said:
Well I got drawn in by the title of the thread.

What was that saying Joseph Goebbels said "if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"



I remember it being attributed to Hitler, but they were both on the same team, and
as Minister for Propaganda, it would make more sense to have come from Goebbels.
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Ironic thread subject matter.
terley said:
Is it true, that if the echo chamber is large enough.. Do unsubstantiated claims that play on the emotional few, become forever true, regardless of their legitimacy in reality?
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Trump and the Alt-Right Post Truth Propaganda Machine said:
Locker Room Talk. Locker Room Talk. You know - the things we all say to each other in the LOCKER ROOM, whilst sipping a beer. Nudge, Nudge. Wink. Got that? What Trump said in those recordings was LOCKER ROOM TALK
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terley said:
I don't believe locker-room talk constitutes sexism.
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terley said:
Locker room talk is something everyone does to some degree
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What point was being made about what happens when something is repeated over and over?
:rolleyes:
 
I'm sure people can point to horrid things trump said whilst he was on the podium, so even if the "grab pussies" was a one off, we can show he said and done hundreds of things whilst in "very presidential, most presidential ever, bigly"
 
hornetstinger said:
I'm sure people can point to horrid things trump said whilst he was on the podium, so even if the "grab pussies" was a one off, we can show he said and done hundreds of things whilst in "very presidential, most presidential ever, bigly"
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Trump knows EXACTLY what he is doing when he speaks the way that he does. He is communicating with his voters in a way they can understand. When he says that "Costa Rica is an island surrounded by much water, big water, ocean water" that is deliberate because his voter base is immensely thick and so he needs to communicate that way.
 
If you'd wanted to discuss this in a sensible manner, maybe you should have chosen a less divisive example. Like the £350 million for the NHS bus or Hitler. :p

terley said:
On the racism/homophobia thing, i believe these issues tend to overlap into policy, i.e. the recent transgender soldier row - how trump is putting forward a policy to not allow transgender soldiers in their army.

There are multiple outliers in this scenario such as:
a) whilst not "recognized" currently as a mental health condition, the suicidality rates of trans people are 40%, only seconded to paranoid schizophrenia.
b) currently the army funding is paying for hormone replacement therapy for trans soldiers, a huge drain the the resources of the units and funding bodies
c) what level of fitness testing should they adhere to, be it male->female or female->male

There are many questions, and currently the administration is holding a report, they are awaiting results.
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Funny you should mention that example. Here's part of the legal advice given on the trans military ban:

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Translation from legalese: Is this joke? You give absolutely no reasons for the ban, which makes it obvious that you just don't like trans people. And that's discrimination. Which is illegal.

Your point b is especially wrong. The armed forces spend less on the trans healthcare than they do on viagra and there's no movement to stop the supply of blue pills. The cost of discharging currently serving trans personnel is also going to dwarf that figure.
 
Thing is Trump says what he's thinking, 99% of politicians just say what they think people want to hear at the time. So which is more trustworthy?
 
Yep it was Goebbels. I find propaganda very interesting. I read lots of quotes from the Nazi era and I read a lot of quotes from Napoleon.

Regardless of these people being our enemies I think there is a lot of truth in the quotes, especially when they talk about the motivations and manipulation of mankind.

My favourite Napoleon quote is "man is motivated by two levers, fear and self interest"
 
garnett said:
What point was being made about what happens when something is repeated over and over?
:rolleyes:
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bit of an odd post tbh.. how was it not 'locker room talk'? I mean it seems that was exactly what it was, Trump was making some pathetic claims about his prowess with women in the same way that Jay from the inbetweeners would brag about being "knee deep in clunge" all the time
 
dowie said:
bit of a wire post tbh.. how was it not 'locker room talk'? I mean it seems that was exactly what it was, Trump was making some pathetic claims about his prowess with women in the same way that Jay from the inbetweeners would brag about being "knee deep in clunge" all the time
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Exactly like that MP who is now fired.
 
The far left are just insane and massively racist themselves, in my view equality means that you shouldn't treat someone differently based upon their differences (race/sex etc) but the first thing the far left do in ANY situation is identify the differences and then give any minority special treatment. It's just discrimination in reverse.

The far left with their militarised Antifa claim to be fighting against fascism but really they tick more boxes than anyone else when it comes to fascistic behaviour.
 
Vonhelmet said:
So can trust that trump is an appalling person? Um, great.
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The point is you can't trust any of them :)

mmj_uk said:
The far left are just insane and massively racist themselves, in my view equality means that you shouldn't treat someone differently based upon their differences (race/sex etc) but the first thing the far left do in ANY situation is identify the differences and then give any minority special treatment. It's just discrimination in reverse.

The far left with their militarised Antifa claim to be fighting against fascism but really they tick more boxes than anyone else when it comes to fascistic behaviour.
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Yes! They are. It's gone so far that they have become racists and facists themselves. I also hate the fact that whenever TV shows, movies or games doesn't feature LGBT issues, they all kick off. It's ruining entertainment.
 
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