If Greggs Ran Out Of Sausage Rolls?

dl8860 said:
On the point of university numbers, I think to justify all of the 'unused' degrees, you have to think about the total social benefit.

If you go to university and read engineering, medicine, law etc., you are learning useful skills and when you enter a job to use those, you bring a tangible benefit to society.

When you go and read sport science, psychology, history of art etc., and get a job that has literally nothing to do with those things, there's very little actual benefit to society because you got your degree. Gaining that degree allowed you to rank yourself above a large number of people for job prospects, but it didn't do a lot for the actual benefit of society.

When you consider than in terms of the context of university places compared to how many people we need picking fruit... it's easy to see that the notion of being too good to pick fruit because you are _capable_ of earning a degree, doesn't lead to an efficient outcome for the economy on a wide scale.
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Utter dribble. I know people with sport science that are now QS', folk with psychology degrees I lean on daily to tweak internal comms and training materials (behavioural science is a big part of getting old doris to work differently) and history of art folk are my best execs as they actually have interesting things to talk about other than the basics of their job which they'll learn on the job anyway.

Fruit picking is slave labour and paid poorly, that's why no one wants to do it - degree or not.
 
dLockers said:
Utter dribble. I know people with sport science that are now QS', folk with psychology degrees I lean on daily to tweak internal comms and training materials (behavioural science is a big part of getting old doris to work differently) and history of art folk are my best execs as they actually have interesting things to talk about other than the basics of their job which they'll learn on the job anyway.

Fruit picking is slave labour and paid poorly, that's why no one wants to do it - degree or not.
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Nothing you said contradicted my post. I didn't say people with those sorts of degrees can't be very useful in a professional workplace did I. Nor did I say they should all pick fruit. So that's a total strawman.
 
dl8860 said:
Nothing you said contradicted my post. I didn't say people with those sorts of degrees can't be very useful in a professional workplace did I. Nor did I say they should all pick fruit. So that's a total strawman.
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Ah school of OCUK rebuttals. Good one.
 
Picking fruit also for a couple of months a year, even if it paid a full time equivalent salary of £30k, no one is going to give up their full time job to go and live in a caravan for 3 weeks to do it…

I also completely disagree with the notion that degrees are ‘unused’ if you get a job in another field or sector. My degree is in a completely different field to where I work and yet the tools it equipped me with I use daily.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I also completely disagree with the notion that degrees are ‘unused’ if you get a job in another field or sector. My degree is in a completely different field to where I work and yet the tools it equipped me with I use daily.
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Indeed. I often find that people who under value degrees in media studies, or art history, or 3rd class degrees from places with poor reputations haven't been to university. Or if they have, failed to grasp that part of what they're being taught is not a specialism, but an academic method and how to learn and teach yourself.
 
Nasher said:
Not really, no one can really teach you to be an artist. It's a Micky Mouse degree. Also things like gender studies lol, which screams "don't hire me" when seen on a CV.
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"
Overview and entry requirements
The MA Gender Studies is our most popular programme and is unique not only in the UK but in the terrain of Gender Studies programmes across the Anglophone world. With a focus on the study of Gender that attends to the complex specificities of Asia, Africa, the Middle East and their diasporas, this programme creates a cutting edge pedagogical space where students grapple with the limits of ‘Western’ and elite feminisms and tackle the problems of class violence, racism, transmisogny, Islamophobia, ableism and queerphobia in contemporary feminist political projects. In addition to drawing on the interdisciplinary expertise of staff across all SOAS faculties, this MA in Gender Studies programme offers plenty of opportunities to participate in ongoing dialogues between various social justice movements and the University classroom. Drawing cohorts of students from Asia, Africa and the Middle East as well as the Global North, this programme offers students a chance like no other to forge connections to feminist movements, activists and thinkers situated across the world."

Sounds like what most of the OCUK 'special folk' try and debate.
 
Nasher said:
Not really, no one can really teach you to be an artist. It's a Micky Mouse degree. Also things like gender studies lol, which screams "don't hire me" when seen on a CV.
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Oh, I wasn't aware that "MOST" of the non STEM subjects are art (which you're wrong about BTW, people can teach people to be artists) and gender studies.
 
dLockers said:
"
Overview and entry requirements
The MA Gender Studies is our most popular programme and is unique not only in the UK but in the terrain of Gender Studies programmes across the Anglophone world. With a focus on the study of Gender that attends to the complex specificities of Asia, Africa, the Middle East and their diasporas, this programme creates a cutting edge pedagogical space where students grapple with the limits of ‘Western’ and elite feminisms and tackle the problems of class violence, racism, transmisogny, Islamophobia, ableism and queerphobia in contemporary feminist political projects. In addition to drawing on the interdisciplinary expertise of staff across all SOAS faculties, this MA in Gender Studies programme offers plenty of opportunities to participate in ongoing dialogues between various social justice movements and the University classroom. Drawing cohorts of students from Asia, Africa and the Middle East as well as the Global North, this programme offers students a chance like no other to forge connections to feminist movements, activists and thinkers situated across the world."

Sounds like what most of the OCUK 'special folk' try and debate.
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Lol what a description. The creator is obviously a feminist.

It's popular because it has no basis in reality and is full of bias pseudo science. You can't fail it if you stick to the narrative. But it's not going to help a career and you'll have a big loan to pay off for your comical qualification.
 
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Nasher said:
Lol what a description. The creator is obviously a feminist.

It's popular because it has no basis in reality and is full of bias pseudo science. You can't fail it if you stick to the narrative. But it's not going to help a career and you'll have a big loan to pay off for your comical qualification.
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I can guarantee my I&D exec gets paid orders of magnitude more than you :D
 
dl8860 said:
On the point of university numbers, I think to justify all of the 'unused' degrees, you have to think about the total social benefit.

If you go to university and read engineering, medicine, law etc., you are learning useful skills and when you enter a job to use those, you bring a tangible benefit to society.

When you go and read sport science, psychology, history of art etc., and get a job that has literally nothing to do with those things, there's very little actual benefit to society because you got your degree. Gaining that degree allowed you to rank yourself above a large number of people for job prospects, but it didn't do a lot for the actual benefit of society.

When you consider than in terms of the context of university places compared to how many people we need picking fruit... it's easy to see that the notion of being too good to pick fruit because you are _capable_ of earning a degree, doesn't lead to an efficient outcome for the economy on a wide scale.
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You did a much better job of putting the point across than I did :)
 
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