If the Phoenix2 APU has dual channel (128bit) memory, could it be usefully faster than the Steamdeck's APU?

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Low-cost AMD Phoenix CPU has been pictured up close AMD Phoenix2 die shot, Source: HXL AMD has maintained a low profile when it comes to their smaller Phoenix2 chip. Without the aid of rumors, CPU images, and tech enthusiasts scouring the AMD specs website for details, it might seem as though...

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Even though it has half the number of shaders (256 RDNA3 vs 512 RDNA2).

The largest bottleneck on APU graphics performance is always memory bandwidth - because it is shared, and because it is a 128bit desktop memory standard.

If the link above is correct that Phoenix2 has a dual-channel memory bus (uinlike the 64bit cheapo Intel/AMD platforms), then is that enough to make it a good steamdeck 2.0 product?

4nm / RDNA3 / 30% more bandwidth / +50% GPU clocks - are all useful advantages. But are they enough to make up for a halving of the number of shaders... Thinking of the recent valve hardware codenames turning up in recent code.

 

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Firestrike update:
Pheonix2 (Ryzen Z1) at 15w = 4147
Van Gogh (Steamdeck) at ??w = 3029

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Not enough for a revision imo. I think for a really meaningful upgrade (outside of a totally new architecture) they need to figure out how to fit some infinity cache in an APU.

 

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I agree, it isn't a Steamdeck 2.0.

I do wonder if it might not be used in a Steamdeck v1.5.

 

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Nintendo switch 2 handheld is rumoured to be as powerful as a ps4 pro and uses the latest Nvidia Tegra Orin APU

This apu has 12 ARM cpu cores and 2048 Ampere Cuda cores (that means it has 16SM units), built on 8nm and has 204GB/s memory bandwidth

Should be interesting to compare it to recent pc handhelds

 

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yes, i kinda agree that that valve won't want to release a 2.0 until it has available the power to run all current and near future triple titles, which Van Gogh era performance is starting to struggle with.

but i could still see Pheonix2 being used in a 'refresh' product that basically targets the same performance as 1.0, but allows longer battery life, better cooling, alongside some other easy win upgrades such as the screen.

 

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the answer to the question: "could it be usefully faster than the Van Gogh?" - seems to be "no".

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it's probably about the same, but still believe it might make it a useful steamdeck 'refresh', and one that provides better emulation support via Zen4's AVX512 support.

what do you think?