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In theory it is but in practice it perhaps isn't so clear cut, the UK had Tony Blair who made no secret of his Christianity (not that he should have to) but if memory serves he has mentioned before that he believes God approves of his decisions. George Bush has definitely made such claims, appeal to a higher power saying "well the big man upstairs thinks I'm right" is a shocking justification if that is all you have. Such a justification should be between yourself and your conscience, the nation doesn't need to know about it. Religious freedom is great, believe in what you like, let others believe in what they like but don't force it onto anyone and keep religion out of state.
Trouble is you can never separate that. We vote a PM in to make choices. his religion, is just a another aspect of his personality. You can't separate that from him. It also would be totally wrong to only allow atheists to run for PM. I think we're as pretty much state and religion separated as we can be.

RE is fine, even good, but that means you must teach about all religions (at least the main ones) and then allow the child to make an informed choice, as an educational establishment there should be no foisting of the one which the head of the school believes in onto the children. If the children want to believe they will and they should have that right independent of what the school does.

Re shouldn't be about converting, it Should just be about taking the top say 10 religions and teaching kids the difference and what they our about, there thought processes and beilives. Nothing more.

I've not mentioned the national anthem or the Queen. I made no proposals to end or change either of them, they make such little impact to my life that I barely think about either of them. :)
Some other people have, so I just aided it in :)
 
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That is definatley not a good idea, it would cause so many problems and would make it even longer before people can get a job.

In my eyes 1 extra year is not a big deal (not to mention those going to apprenticeships would have already been working for 2). If anything it is a plus as they are being given more time to mature.

Energize said:
4 years, as if university didn't cost enough, you want to make it cost more?!, again increasing the time before people can start work.

Yes, I think the benefits of a 4-year length outweigh the possible extra costs. And again I think the extra year of work lost as you put it is a non-issue. In some european countries, graduates completing their first degrees are anywhere from 24-26 years old before they enter the working world for real.

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Lots of people aren't going to want to go to another country so early in their lives.

Along similar lines to the enforced national service, this is not so much to cater to their wants as to give them what I believe to be useful experiences.
 
Trouble is you can never separate that. We vote a PM in to make choices. his religion, is just a another aspect of his personality. You can't separate that from him. It also would be totally wrong to only allow atheists to run for PM. I think we're as pretty much state and religion separated as we can be.

You know, I don't think we are actually all that far apart on our views, we simply express them differently. I'm not intending to suggest that only atheists should run for PM - look at Dawkins for an example as bad as any that religion could give but that religion should never be used as a justification for a decision made in the interests of a state. I also think that when writing up the UKs constitution it should be firmly noted that church and state are separated - more or less as they presently are.

Re shouldn't be about converting, it Should just be about taking the top say 10 religions and teaching kids the difference and what they our about, there thought processes and beilives. Nothing more.

I think we agree on this one.

Some other people have, so I just aided it in :)

Fair enough, it has nothing to do with my views though. :)
 
I've read some interesting posts on this thread, AcidHell and Semi-pro in particular and I'll re-read them tomorrow when I'm less tired to comment.

Disagree with whoever thought one child per couple though as apart from any personal reasons (having three children myself), and the fact that was already mentioned about not having enough young people; we would see an increase in abortion rates as people will want one sex or the other of a baby. As well as that we would have more babies put up for adoption or just abandoned for being the wrong sex. If you could only ever have one child that would happen.
 
I've read some interesting posts on this thread, AcidHell and Semi-pro in particular and I'll re-read them tomorrow when I'm less tired to comment.

Disagree with whoever thought one child per couple though as apart from any personal reasons (having three children myself), and the fact that was already mentioned about not having enough young people; we would see an increase in abortion rates as people will want one sex or the other of a baby. As well as that we would have more babies put up for adoption or just abandoned for being the wrong sex. If you could only ever have one child that would happen.

Also, its the opposite of a free country...
 
Also, its the opposite of a free country...

Agreed. Same goes for things like forced national service for everyone, reminds me of dictatorships like North Korea. I had no idea that people were for making this country even more restrictive on our lives.
 

A lot of exceptions or reductions on that list.

Oh, and:

British Colonial Legacy

There is a high correlation between nations that do not have mandatory military service and those which were once a part of the British Empire. The list, which includes Australia, Bangladesh, Belize, Botswana, Burma, Canada, Ceylon, Guyana, India, Ireland, Jamaica, Kenya, Malawi, Malaysia, Oman, Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Sierra Leone, South Africa, The Gambia, The United States of America and Zambia form the vast majority of states without mandatory military service. Nepal, Bhutan and the United Arab Emirates also nations without mandatory military service, were heaviliy influenced in their development by the British Empire. Liberia, the ad-hoc colony of a colony, also is without mandatory military service.
 
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People saying religion needs to be banned should remember that many parents are now choosing to send there children to religious schools because they perform or are at least perceived to perform better than standard schools.

I do however see the problems religion causes though seculalism isn't that much of a better solution. Half the problems we have today are because any sense of a higher purpose or hope in life have been scraped in favour of shallow materialist world view. And many people essentialy have no conscience.

What we need in place of religion is spirituality and wisdom. Here's a good analogy I've heard. Morals which are the foundation of religion are a blanket set of rules imposed upon the people. Materialism which is the foundation of our society are a pound sign imposed upon the people.
 
I would :

1) Convert england to be secular. Religion is not to be taught in schools except in a historical and cultural context.
2) Instead teach political and social studies.
3) All children would undergo literacy and numeracy testing. *That* is the basis of school performance. A-level results measurements would be scrapped. International Baccalaureate instead.
4) Compulsory testing of teachers, in the same way nurses are continously re-tested for their ability to teach.
5) Voting is mandatory, but you may vote "none of the above". No postal voting... either you go to the posting booth or the posting booth comes to you (specialised circumstances, as pre-arranged, a agent would come and collect your vote.). Large fines for people who don't vote (maybe £500 or something).
6) Proportional Representation : those communities with larger communities will have their representative more power, not simply a single vote.
7) Referendums can handled from the top down : in the house of commons, which the individual representatives could choose to then hold within their own constituency.
8) Army justification procedures : money going to the armed forces would have to be justified. Foreign wars would have to be on an extreme emergency only basis.
9) National Corporation Standards for workers, to prevent companies from outsourcing certain types of industry (such as customer service).
10) A national evaluation of public services, with 100% transparency to the public.
11) A seperation of the interests of public organisations in private companies, including public servants. A change in the law to stop
conflicts of interest (may be unworkable :( )
12) Increase certain luxury taxes, specifically to private car owners, but on a one time only payment as opposed to fuel tax. This would be more like an inverse Council Tax, whereby the more people use a car, the less you would pay. If you have a family of 5 and 2 cars, that would be 2.5 people per car etc as opposed to 5 people one car, 5 people per car (which would be much lower tax).

Hmmm what else?
 
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4) Compulsory testing of teachers, in the same way nurses are continously re-tested for their ability to teach.

My school would be shut down then.:p
5) Voting is mandatory, but you may vote "none of the above". No postal voting... either you go to the posting booth or the posting booth comes to you (specialised circumstances, as pre-arranged, a agent would come and collect your vote.). Large fines for people who don't vote (maybe £500 or something).

How about online voting? You would get an almost 100% turnout if that was done.
 
Still religion ;) if they were not religous they probably would get on ok!

RE is a waste of time, religion is an illusion that everything will be ok, mostly made up to stop people going mad that there is nothing after we die. I can't obviously say there is or isn't, but I prefer to believe scientific proof above some crackpot religous person who says there is an afterlife and heaven/hell. It makes more sense.

I am not being ignorant towards religion in the slightest, people, however narrow minded can believe what they like, but I still think they are crackpots and idiots!

I am amazed they let children post on these forums?!?
You may feel you have an opinion, but your posts are just insulting.
Just for the record are you over 16? :D
 
Just an interesting idea for discussion really...

Imagine you were in charge of our fine country and had the power to change law, policy, economic ideology, etc. What would you do with it?

Off the top of my head, I would firstly legalize euthanasia and secondly I would promote secularism and community by banning faith schools outright. I would ban practicing faith within any educational establishment. Religious education, would have course still be on the curriculum, I just see no need for practicing faith within school. Wearing religious symbols (if you recall that story about a young girl and her ring) within school property would also be prohibited. You go there to learn, not worship.

Anyway, what would you do?

You do realise that banning anything religious is why Americas circling the drain right. I-is that what you want.

Crime
- Abolish ASBO'S and fine the little ***** to kingdom come
- More Prisons
- End this whole Luxurious living thing prisoners are on ( No more HDTV's and xbox's for them
- Life means Life not 2 years and parole
- Chemical castration for all Paedophiles
- Tougher Gun control does a guy in a terraced house really need an assault rifle?

Education
- Increase education spending in the words of Martin Sheen "it can be the silver bullet, silver bullet to things like Crime and employment"
- End this whole "don't hurt their feelings by saying they did good if they didn't thing"

Political Correctness
- End it, If i want to put a christmas tree out in my front yard then let me I want my town to have Christmas lights not Holiday Lights (the **** does that mean)

Democracy
- I would have the PM and Cabinet separate from the legislative branch and allow both sides to come work together on creating laws instead of Majority rule.

- Term Limits for Prime ministers I don't want to see one more PM serve 10 years they have a 4 year term and the chance for an extra 4.

Foreign Policy & Defence

- Referendum on the EU constitution
- Rebuilding of our armed forces make sure they have what they need to do the outstanding job they do.
- Work closer with our NATO allies but still have independence
- Less withthe in Americas Pockets thing
-War with France
 
I am amazed they let children post on these forums?!?
You may feel you have an opinion, but your posts are just insulting.
Just for the record are you over 16? :D

LMAO

RE is useful especially now, because of it we know that not everybody who is a muslim is a terrorist, we have a greater understanding of peoples religion their motives and what they believe than other countries who think that on Nights Muslims come into houses and Kill the occupants.
 
Bring back the death sentence ("for the thrill of it" murderers etc)

Tax the companies who make the polluting cars etc., not the people who buy them

Legalize Cannabis

Make councils listen to their citizens

Make more prisons, and prison less pleasant (not saying they're pleasant, but they're certainly too pleasant)

Create compulsory unpaid work with them sleeping in detention before & after shifts for those who don't quite deserve prison

Enforce standards by law - where viable, manufacturers must use standard components rather than force users to buy the manufacturers own

12 week limit on claiming unemployment benefit - can only claim for a max of 6 months per year

Ban DRM

...there's a lot more stupid little things like that but tbh, nobody's going to read it :p
 
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