Illegal file sharing on the Internet, what should we do?
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For intellectual property that is effectively taking it. Again, I am not saying stealing as I am well aware of the difference legally (I just don't see a huge moral difference, but morals are after all subjective).
So you would prefer to be paid for the fruit of your labours, but don't feel like paying others for theirs? What do you think is more appropriate, greed or hypocrisy?
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No, I generally buy all my games because I enjoy them, I like to have a box and the instructions etc.
I didn't say that, I said I'd simply never buy photoshop because I'm not paying £600 for a piece of software. I would rather suffer and use GIMP than pay that much, fortunately I can get it for free.
So you've never recorded anything off the TV with a tape recorder or DVD recorder?
I don't see how you can't see a moral difference, nobody is missing anything.
Would you feel bad for ''cloning'' bread if you could rather than buying it from the bakery?
Or if your neighbor bought a Ferrari F430, and you could costlessly clone it in an hour...
I think piracy's great, keeps people problem solving and helps keep back a few more pennies from the insanely overpaid pieces of crap the entertainment industry churns out.
The main problem I have with piracy is gaming piracy, because it is actually having quite a clear impact on the market. Game designers don't exactly get their pocket lined either, especially for the amount of skill it takes to design and compile a game vs how to talk about getting capped in the bum while a beat plays in the background.
The main problem I have with piracy is gaming piracy, because it is actually having quite a clear impact on the market. Game designers don't exactly get their pocket lined either, especially for the amount of skill it takes to design and compile a game vs how to talk about getting capped in the bum while a beat plays in the background.
Many years ago when I was a little ****tard and thought it is great to get things for free. Now I work in software, my opinion has changed.
Think this is why gaming as a whole went down the hill in the last 10 years. There used to be a ton of awesome titles, but being a little retard, that I was, I downloaded them instead of buying and helped to promote crap, buggy games we see that are out today.
I like modern games, and I don't think there bugs have anything to do with piracy.
BS. I'd wager that lack of innovation and publisher greed / impatience play a much bigger role.
Have a look at old companies that used to make good games, they all ended up either busted or bought up and now forced to produce more and more rubbish. And now I feel at least partially responsible for this. If more people would have bought their games, they may not have been bought up and maybe we would have good games to play for a change, other then same filth produced year on year with ever increasing numbers on them.
Sure times change, however I can't but wonder what would have happened if I(and others like me) wasn't a little ****tard.
It is the difference between physical property and intellectual property. Because something isn't physical it is perceived to have less value so it seems ok to take it. You are basically getting the work from the developers for nothing, you are effectively freeloading. But it is seen as OK because nothing physical is taken. So morally I see no real difference, because when you buy intellectual property then the owner doesn't lose it, unlike physical property.
It is probably because almost all of my work is intellectual property rather than physical that I see less difference between the two. At the end of the day you are getting something for nothing that someone else worked for.
The end result is that you enjoy the effort that they put in to their product but do not feel that they should be rewarded for it. Yet if you made a product you feel that you should be rewarded for it. No, they don't lose out because you were never going to buy it in the first place, but they do not gain, while you do gain. Seems pretty selfish to me.
Only with physical property, it is different with intellectual property hence why it isn't classed as theft.
Well your main point seems to be physical/intlectual. I have no moral issues using someone else work, as long as I'm not then making money from there work.
End of the day, if they want me to buy there software, they have to make there prices more competitive. I actually buy all my own software, games and movies. I've don't download much music these days thanks to spotify, I only download what I want on my MP3 player.
If for example Photoshop was £30 like games are, I'd buy it. It's never worth the price it is, it is only that much because Abobe know that people need it and will buy it whatever the price.
Yeah, it's daylight robbery to be honest. A legit spec'd Video and Photo editing PC with all the software is out of reach for some businesses let alone an individual that wants to use the software. They wonder why piracy exists when you can download and use it for free. Tough choice that, £XXXX or free.
Do you have any moral isssues about helping put people out of work?
From the adobe site
Another one for the ignore list...
STOP BLOODY COMPARING STEALING TO DOWNLOADING.
Very good, print out going on the office door on monday
I do however. I would feel as if I was stealing from them. If I am getting use out of their product and they charge for it, then I should pay the charge. If I don't think it is value for money, then I won't use it.
To be honest I have trouble believing you. You have already quite happily admited that you have no moral qualms about using something as long as you don't make any money from it so why would you suddenly change your mind when it comes to music and games?
So the correct course of action is to not use it, but no, because you can get away with it you instead just copy it. Forget about the company that makes it, why should they get any of your hard earned money...
Okay, that's good for you.
I would buy all my things if I could afford them. But I don't mind paying small amounts for something worthy. The only things I don't buy is music and expensive software, in fact in my case only Photoshop. Photoshop is over priced for what it is, so unless they set a more reasonable price I won't buy it, and music is overpriced. You pay 70p or whatever it is these days for one song which lasts a few minutes. It doesn't help that I get bored of the same music after a few listens.
Because they've worked to produce a product. If they don't sell it at a good price I won't buy it.