Illegal file sharing on the Internet, what should we do?
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As far as music goes the solution is for itunes to sell the real thing and not some rubbish quality mp3. Its the greed of these companies that makes me feel raped. Blu-rays are a great example of the right quality product at the right price point and in a format almost impossible to copy.
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Your arguement is silly. That's like saying english literature cannot be IP. It's just a sequence of lines on a page and it's how a english human interprets it that makes it literature. Many people don't always interpret written language the same. Is that an issue? No.
I buy my music from iTunes, its far cheaper and easier then getting a CD, as I like to support the bands I listen to.
I have a tonne of old boot leg CDs from gigs.
Piracy is a "problem" but I personally don't see a way of stopping it, you could discourage it by charging less for music / games / films.
Average price for a CD ? 10 ?
New DvD ? 15 ?
New PC game ? 30/40 ?
All too much in my opinion.
I have a tonne of old boot leg CDs from gigs.
Piracy is a "problem" but I personally don't see a way of stopping it, you could discourage it by charging less for music / games / films.
Average price for a CD ? 10 ?
New DvD ? 15 ?
New PC game ? 30/40 ?
All too much in my opinion.
Blu-ray is easily copied now, mostly.
Plus blu-ray is a jokewith all the different profiles for players, some of which cannot play certain titles of display certain content
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to be honest, im not sure how big an imapct piracy actuall has.
whoactually wants to watche a dogdy screen cam version of a film ,when yo can goto the cinema
what really kills things is day 0 releases. e.g dawn of war 2 is already available and its not out till friday.
whoactually wants to watche a dogdy screen cam version of a film ,when yo can goto the cinema
what really kills things is day 0 releases. e.g dawn of war 2 is already available and its not out till friday.
Haha.. memories of copying Amstrad games on a hi-fi dual tape deck unit
You're dead right though... even way before that, people were copying vinyl to tape to share.
It's still a con though. If the market wanted to, they could have released hi-def films on DVDs by using the very same codecs that blu-rays are ripped to. But they wanted a new format - to force everyone to upgrade.
You could equally argue that by recording a Nirvana song as your own you weren't doing anything wrong since you can't copyright paper, pens, air particles, notes etc.
A song has rights attached to it. These rights belong to the label and artist respectively and the label has the right to exploit the song financially through various media so they and the artist can both make money off it when the overheads have been met - this is how the band and label get the studio/promotion/pressing/distro money back. If you don't pay for the song, no-one makes the money, no overheads and met and everyone ends up in debt. Overall result = label drops band, band can't afford to make another album.
I'm not going to post again here, this topic has been going round in circles for years. The bottom line is no-one knows the answer. The fans who download are convinced they're doing nothing wrong and the labels and artists still need to make money. It's a stalemate.
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It's only almost impossible to copy due to the price of discs and the demand isn't there, yet. Unfortunatley (Or fortunatley, whichever side you're on) it won't be like that forever.
I think it's unfair to say that CDs are disproportionately expensive when the same could be said for virtually any product under the same argument. In addition, the cost goes towards administration fees, patenting, publication, distrabution, wages, recording equipment etc, not just the raw cost of the CD.
In terms of downloading, yes, I have downloaded music before, but it has never been music that I would have bought. If there is music by an artist I particuarly like, I buy it to support the artist. If I have downloaded an album, I wouldn't ever have bought it to see if I liked it. However, I am aware that some people download everything. As such, I can't really determine how damaging piracy is to the industry.
In terms of downloading, yes, I have downloaded music before, but it has never been music that I would have bought. If there is music by an artist I particuarly like, I buy it to support the artist. If I have downloaded an album, I wouldn't ever have bought it to see if I liked it. However, I am aware that some people download everything. As such, I can't really determine how damaging piracy is to the industry.
You are right to an extent, binary and the art of programming can't be protected as they are, as you say, an idea. Once you get those numbers in an order though they can be protected.
Similar with music really, you can't protect a C chord but can protect and series of chords arranged into a song.
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was just thinking the same thing, can still remember all the trading of the bbc/spec/c64 games that went on in the play ground
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I think this is a great step forward, but I doubt lesser well known artists would be quite so successful if they tried something similar.
I think it should be easier or unsigned artists to be able to have their music on services such as iTunes, this way they can still earn money even if they aren't selling millions of albums...
I'm not arguing against that, I'm arguing over the fact that the law does not reflect the technology as the laws were designed by people with little understandin of technology and often at a time before such technology existed.
Most of the laws were designed to deal with physical goods and later updated to somehow apply to digital things - failing to note the difference between a digital object which is just a copy of a copy, all stored as 1s and 0s, and potentially interpreted differenly by different computers.
Yes, but who is to say that my computer views 0011001 the same as your computer?
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Guys lets avoid the 'is it actually technically illegal' issue, that's for another thread, except to say that existing laws were invented for a different age and are perhaps difficult to enforce or interpret correctly today.
Doesn't matter, I see where you're coming from but you've got to look beyond that. The reason we have intellectual property rights to to protect those who've invested time, money and effort etc. into making something new. Without these rights there is less incentive to create new things and so it's bad for industry as a whole.
Agreed. I'd say the existing laws are heavily slanted towards the cost of obtaining (or re-obtaining) physical objects and don't take into account the essential worthlessness of a digital copy. The current pricing systems reflects music/dvds/games etc being entirely in a physical form. The system needs to be changed in order to recognise the essential worthlessness of the actual item bought, but to reflect a contribution to overall cost of producing that item, like studio time or games designers salaries, for example. I'd guess, and hope, that that would makes things fairer for all concerned, lower prices for consumers and (eventual) increased revenue for sellers and producers as piracy decreases.
I still think that even iTunes came along too late. The record companies completely missed a trick back in the Napster days, they have huge back catalogues of material which they seemed (and still to to an extent) reluctant to sell despite there being a clear market for it. However the music industry seems to be intent on trying to flog the latest **** and complain that piracy is killing sales when in fact a large amount is due to a poor product.
Bandwidth costs I assume, there's no way that the movie/tv industry would openly embrace P2P even if it did save costs.
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this made me chuckle. I was about seven when I had a spectrum, so not really into piracy. I remember that none of my games worked because they were badly looked after.
You would have to wait through 30 minutes of a load screen just to be told that it wasn't going to work.
[sigh] twas a happier time.