im sick of my water cooling !

Minstadave · 2 Apr 2006 at 10:37

ichabod crane said:
looks good although im not keane on the swiftech radiators... but ive heard there perform ok... have you thought about a D5 pump they are very good... £10's worth of tubing will get you just over 6ft of tygon hose so measure twice cut ones

6 foot should probably be enough, it was slightly more than I needed in my Coolermaster Stacker, which is about as big as cases get.

I don't have any complaints about the Swiftech Rad, works perfectly even with 2x120mm fans at 5Vs and totally silent. At stock my system idles around 20 degrees and hits about 25-28 load. Overclocked I rarely see mid 30s.

smids · 2 Apr 2006 at 12:11

Still, for that price I'd go for the much more efficient heatercore (single or double).

R B Customs · 2 Apr 2006 at 19:26

oh yea... im starting to get excited now. just been looking through the watercooled cases gallery. andf the 1/2'' stuff looks so cool.

im always a bit scared when poking around my case that ill push sidways on a tube too hard with my wrist or something that the pipes will 'pop' off the barbs... or is that just not likely with jubilee clips etc .

ive stuck an ad on the MM, so ill just wait for it to catch. but the bad news is the mic on my headset just kaput so theres another 40 quid i havnt got

thanks for the help guys.
and crane, whats the D5 pump you speak of ?
Rick

Minstadave · 2 Apr 2006 at 19:34

R B CUSTOMS said:
im always a bit scared when poking around my case that ill push sidways on a tube too hard with my wrist or something that the pipes will 'pop' off the barbs... or is that just not likely with jubilee clips etc .

Not going to happen with Jubilee clips mate, nothing to worry about

ichabod crane · 2 Apr 2006 at 19:54

R B CUSTOMS said:
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and crane, whats the D5 pump you speak of ?
Rick

the Danger Den D5 pump it is just as good as the 50oz and is also speed variable and pretty much the same size id just go for one ou can get hold of or think will look best in your case... D5 is probably easiet to get hold of add me to msn and we can chat i can point ya in direction of some good sites

smids · 2 Apr 2006 at 20:08

ichabod crane said:
the Danger Den D5 pump it is just as good as the 50oz and is also speed variable and pretty much the same size id just go for one ou can get hold of or think will look best in your case... D5 is probably easiet to get hold of add me to msn and we can chat i can point ya in direction of some good sites

This is true but it dumps about 3 times the amount of heat into the loop (I think t's something like 8w vs 21w and the 50z is quieter. With inefficient rads comparativly like the Swiftech 120.2 as opposed to something like the PA160, the less heat dumped into the water, the better.

squiffy · 2 Apr 2006 at 20:14

Thinking about it different liquid chemicals have a high or low heat absorbation rate, so perhaps water is not the best?

smids · 2 Apr 2006 at 20:18

squiffy said:
Thinking about it different liquid chemicals have a high or low heat absorbation rate, so perhaps water is not the best?

Heh, however, you have to watch out of disintegrating copper blocks etc when using different chemicals

. I actually added some Isopropyl Alcohol to my water which decreases surface tension - just a tiny amount though otherwise it might explode the tubing if it ever got too hot and began to boil!

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kdd · 2 Apr 2006 at 20:29

Thermaltake kits are more for silence rather than performance but you can get better blocks etc.

ichabod crane · 2 Apr 2006 at 20:38

kdd said:
Thermaltake kits are more for silence rather than performance but you can get better blocks etc.

blocks dont make much difference on a thermaltake kit... especially big water the pump is appauling... and im speaking from experience i have one on one of my pc's cheap for of silence like you said

kinggost · 2 Apr 2006 at 21:28

wel i just built my watercooling system over the last few days. Got to say lot easier than i thought even takeing the old h/s off was easy. The hardist part was routein the tubeing.

Since i put water cooling in my system my graphic cards have gone from 50oC idle to 30oC idle :eek:

now i just got to test them at load the cpu aint dronped much tho only 5oC from 50oC to 45oC

Im going to trying puttin some extra as5 on the cpu and reseating it

R B Customs · 3 Apr 2006 at 11:14

Minstadave said:
Not going to happen with Jubilee clips mate, nothing to worry about

great

i live within 5 minutes of a pneumatics suppllier where i normaly get hooked up with stuff for my airlines for my spray guns and stuff. so maybe he will be able to give me something 'neater' than jubilees. i think the ones im thinking of are called 'compression fittings' ... just like what ive got on my thermal tack.

also whats the crack with the 6002 water block... its so cheap ? is there a better one for the money?

thanks again guys !
Rick

nyzrox · 3 Apr 2006 at 11:38

i recommend a DDC-1Plus 12 volt Pump, you will need a Plexi Top for 1/2" this is what i use, fantastic pump.

smids · 3 Apr 2006 at 17:25

R B CUSTOMS said:
great
i live within 5 minutes of a pneumatics suppllier where i normaly get hooked up with stuff for my airlines for my spray guns and stuff. so maybe he will be able to give me something 'neater' than jubilees. i think the ones im thinking of are called 'compression fittings' ... just like what ive got on my thermal tack.

also whats the crack with the 6002 water block... its so cheap ? is there a better one for the money?

thanks again guys !
Rick

I have the 6002 block. I think they are cheap because they aren't exactly 'bling'. They are excellent performers. I have one cooling my X2 @ 2.8ghz and it does a great job. OK, it's not up there with the storm but it will work fine with all kinds of configs and especially with low flow systems.

@ nyzrox: they are decent pumps but for the price a D5 or AQ50z is MUCH better.

R B Customs · 3 Apr 2006 at 20:08

ive been made an offer on the MM for a 50Z for 40 quid. so ive said yes. its going to take him a few weeks which is more than perfect for me

man ive read about the storm... awsome bit of kit ! at a not so awsome price.
infact ive been looking at all different blocks theres soo many to choose from. heres my thoughts: ( total first impressions just by what i SEE !!!)

alpha cool = cheap / budget. they LOOK good but may not perform
swift tech = good all round, but the better ones cost too much
Danger Den = expensive good, good looking but too many to choose from
Zalman = good, simple looking, but seem to be a bit pre-school ?

ive got to admit im more atracted to the swiftech 6002's and apogees, and the danger den RBX just looks darn sweet with the 3 (maybe slightly gimicky)

ill be happy with anything that performs great. but id also love something that looks good... as i said im a sucker for looks !

smids · 3 Apr 2006 at 20:16

I think the AquaExtreme MP-05 is basically a Storm block. They are cheaper by a good £13 or so so that might be worthwhile.

The Alphacools are very good blocks but have a small pump range - the more power, the better.

Th Swiftech 6002 and Apogee are virtually the same thing, with the Apogee, I believe, a revised 6000 series.

Don't rate Danger Den's too highly. I think they haven't done much recently and have rested on their laurels. RBX and the TDX aren't ground breaking, I'd take a 6002 over those any day.

Not sure on Zalmans, never owned one. Seem more idiot-proof than performance. Kinda low end consumer products albeit very good for silence (please no-one get offended by my remarks).

MikeTimbers · 3 Apr 2006 at 20:31

I'd hesitate to equate any block with a Storm just because it has jets and cups. The Storms were very carefully modelled and tuned and I wonder whether the likes of the copiers bothered to do anything more than work out the cheapest manufacturing method.

But the differences are marginal. I think the Apogee is very cheap compared to what a similar block would have cost a couple of years ago. Whether it's just the volumes being made or the fact that they are now made in China, I don't know but water-cooling is half the cost of what it was.

When I think I paid £75 for my original LRWW and I just spent less than that for an entire Swiftech kit albeit at auction. :rolleyes:

smids · 3 Apr 2006 at 20:40

Yeah, of course the Storm will be better but the user opinions from XS seem good for the block whilst a fair bit cheaper.

R B Customs · 3 Apr 2006 at 21:04

smids said:
(please no-one get offended by my remarks).

yea same here. im merly expressing my over all view judging it on the companies front. nothing else.

iver the apogee and the 6002... im swaying to the 6002 as im thinking i can paint it along with all my othercustom painted stuff... but it looks like its gonna be one of those two blocks depending on what i find first, cheapest and hopefuly second hand.

i did notice that the apogee did have a design flaw as it had a very weak spot in the critical plastic housing ( looking at a dross section on a review site) but as long as my heavy handed brother doesnt get to it it will be fine so yea
what ever comes along first

so
Pump: aqua extreme 50z - Check ( MM )
Block :6002 / apogee Need
Rad : Swiftech dual 120mm OCUK Need
tubing: taygon 1/2''
Res: D Den filler cap Check ( MM )
Money : dont ask

Clown · 3 Apr 2006 at 21:54

I think I just got the last Storm block in the world! Now I just need to find a Silverprop Fusion with 6800 Ultra mounting, and I have probably the bestest blocks around! Too bad they're hard to find