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In other "buggy as hell" K10 news : AMD issues STOP SHIP order on Barcelona

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andr3w1984 said:
Same conversations every single time I come on these boards everywhere!

The same debates where going on when AMD released the 64bit processing chips and the AMD cores after the Athlon processor againts Intel saying Intel was crap e.t.c.

I WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST STFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

Why does it not suprise me at all! Get a life and just buy whats good at the time.

Oh and too the OP, nice find :D
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If your going to tell people to get a life because they're debating AMD vs Intel then why are you posting here?
 
Just buy the best money can buy, and stop worshiping companies. Some people are interested more in arguments than value for THEIR money!
 
i hope amd make a comeback .
i loved their 939 stuff ran relatively cool and had good motherboard and chipset support . as opposed to my q6600 runs to hot for my likeing so you end up with big cpu coolers and more case fans , then the noise
personally i use my asus a8n 32 board with an opty 180 now for gameing much quiter and less buggy than my supposedly better set up . just personel prefference i know :)
 
Personally i think amd with the phenom when it matures will have made a good energy efficient chip both good for entusiatsts that want to overclock and the general server market where most there bussiness lies. But personally I sticked with amd since 2 p4s decided to run so hot they destroyed themselves thats when any trust for me died...
 
tanner said:
Personally i think amd with the phenom when it matures will have made a good energy efficient chip both good for entusiatsts that want to overclock and the general server market where most there bussiness lies. But personally I sticked with amd since 2 p4s decided to run so hot they destroyed themselves thats when any trust for me died...
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that was after the thunderbirds were cooking themselfs, right?

sr4470 said:
This is worse than Prescott's heat output and its dual-core variant? People have short memories...
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yes. a hot runnign cpu is better than one that keeps locking up.
 
it's pretty funny really - the success of K8 woke the sleeping giant ...let's face it Intel hadn't had any serious competition until then.

now you're seeing the result of intels massive R&D versus amd's.
 
I doubt AMD are going anywhere, there is really not a lot wrong with their products, in real terms we are talking a marginal performance deficit. Their business is worth $5bn so AMD is only a small when compared with Intel at $153bn. To be honest AMD have had am easy time of it because intel made crap products. Now intel are actually trying AMD are a struggling to keep up. We also have no idea what the AMD/ATI Fusion chips will be like either.

Personally I think a third player in the market would be great, SUN Microsystems should join forces with VIA an combine the technologies behind C7 and SPARK and make powerfull X86 cpu. That way if either AMD or Intel slack there will still be competition.
 
Considering the amount of time it has taken them to release a quad core chip I'm surprised it has any bugs at all never mind a quite severe one such as this. :o

They just can't seem to do anything right at the moment. :(

What I don't understand is why are only the 2.4GHz and server chips affected? what about the current retail Phenom's? :confused:
 
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marscay said:
now you're seeing the result of intels massive R&D versus amd's.
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not really, the Pentium M was not massively invested in and was a small Israeli team project from what i know. Its only the Netbursts failure to clock properly due to power/thermal issues etc.. and its lacklustre performance against K8 that made them really pay the 'core' architecture any attention. One wonders what if Netburst had clocked and scaled as predicted if any of this would've ever happened. I think AMD were taken totally offguard with how fast it morphed from the Pentium M to the Core 2 and hence are in a position Intel were in a few yrs ago when they had to rush out an unfinished product in the Williamette.
 
Justintime said:
not really, the Pentium M was not massively invested in and was a small Israeli team project from what i know.
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Just thought it might be interesting to let you know more about Intel in Israel.

Intel Israel is one of their largest R&D operations. It is the largest private employer in Israel with around 7000 staff across several sites (6 iirc). It is one of the biggest technology companies in Israel. The 8088 was developed there as well as MMX and of course the Pentium M and Core and Core 2. It leads Intels development of WiMAX and other such technologies. There are also two manufacturing facilities there. Another is under construction at a cost of $3.5 billion and will be one of the most advanced facilities of its kind in the world. It will make 45nm parts like the new Core 2. It's due to open next year and will take on a further 2000 people.

In short, Intel are probably spending more money in Israel alone than AMD are in total.
 
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not really, the Pentium M was not massively invested in and was a small Israeli team project from what i know. Its only the Netbursts failure to clock properly due to power/thermal issues etc.. and its lacklustre performance against K8 that made them really pay the 'core' architecture any attention. One wonders what if Netburst had clocked and scaled as predicted if any of this would've ever happened. I think AMD were taken totally offguard with how fast it morphed from the Pentium M to the Core 2 and hence are in a position Intel were in a few yrs ago when they had to rush out an unfinished product in the Williamette.
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you almost make it sound as though it was just blind luck from intel from a small group of ppl, don't believe everything you read on the interweb.

netburst always had a limited life like any architecture and you can bet Intel knew way before any of us what they were intending to do with their new mobile processors down the line.

as said above also, even a moderate sized team for Intel would probably dwarf total R&D for AMD.
 
This bad news for the CPU market. Dunno why there is so much slagging of AMD in here, surely AMD's position in the market is needed so that not only does it force both companies to price competitively but also gives the end user choice.

I hope they can sort this quickly and get back to their old selves again.
 
From what I can see, the issue only makes itself known if heavy virtualisation is being asked for.

I.e. front-line server requirements. It would appear the average Joe User's Phenom would not really notice the problem.

But then, that doesn't make good reading, does it?

Of course, I'm willing to bet that server bods are a bit concerned by this (or rather, HP, Dell, IBM, etc.) but I'm also pretty sure (as Dr. Evil says... riiiiight) that AMD have some PR whizz explaining that everything will be fine and their data will be safe.
 
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