Inception SPOILER Thread

crazy film in a great way....been talking about it for the last 30mins.

ending great if frustrating... the spinning totem could declare it was a dream but is it me but the van driver in dream 1 , he didnt make it (drowned right?) so he would be in limbo... but is never rescued and then he is at the airport? which puts the whole airport as a dream??? and further clarifys the ending???

or am i getting too confused here.....****ing great film.
 
jonislost said:
Something which is bugging me:

Level one - Van is free falling
Level two - Zero mavity
Level three - mavity is fine

Wouldn't the lack of mavity in level two remove mavity from level three and subsequent levels in a domino effect because everyone asleep in each level would have a zero mavity effect caused by the level above?
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Something i didn't get about the above:

In the second level, the original plan was to place explosives on the ceiling of the hotel room beneath them to blow the floor through so they would all get a kick and wake up. Then there was zero mavity, so the plan had to change as if the floor beneath them blew, they would no longer fall as they were all floating in zero mavity. So he took them all down the corridor, put them all in an elavator and blew the charges on the elavator so it would drop and give them a kick. But if there was zero mavity, surely the elavator would not fall either? When the charges blew on the elavator, surely the elavator would just be floating about not attached to anything? Why did the elavator suddenly have mavity when no where else in the whole hotel did? :confused:
 
iamtheoneneo said:
crazy film in a great way....been talking about it for the last 30mins.

ending great if frustrating... the spinning totem could declare it was a dream but is it me but the van driver in dream 1 , he didnt make it (drowned right?) so he would be in limbo... but is never rescued and then he is at the airport? which puts the whole airport as a dream??? and further clarifys the ending???

or am i getting too confused here.....****ing great film.
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The van driver didn't drown. Saito was stuck in limbo along with Cobb.

Cobb found Saito and reminded him that he was in limbo. They both killed themselves I think to get back to reality.
 
djcj said:
Why did the elavator suddenly have mavity when no where else in the whole hotel did? :confused:
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It wasn't mavity it was the force of the blast that moved the lift. Just like a gun being fired in space the bullet would fly as normal and in fact keep going untill it hit another body.
 
Johnnytoxic said:
The van driver didn't drown. Saito was stuck in limbo along with Cobb.

Cobb found Saito and reminded him that he was in limbo. They both killed themselves I think to get back to reality.
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so what as the van driver was already in dream 1 the kick got him out but in the dream he died?
also if thats the case why did the girl and mavity guy not continue to get the kick past dream 2? they were clearly seen with breathing equipment in dream 1....the kick was designed to wake them up from all levels back into reality but they were still in dream 1 for no reason.

i think thats a bit of an assumption to say that they killed themselves in limbo....as you dont see it.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
so what as the van driver was already in dream 1 the kick got him out but in the dream he died?
also if thats the case why did the girl and mavity guy not continue to get the kick past dream 2? they were clearly seen with breathing equipment in dream 1....the kick was designed to wake them up from all levels back into reality but they were still in dream 1 for no reason.
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The Van driver wakes up due to the kick in Level1 everyone else (apart from cobb and Saito) are kicked back to Level 1 and then the van driver now awake on the plane performs a manual kick on them to get them back to reality. Or the dream machine timer runs out and they come back from level 1.

iamtheoneneo said:
i think thats a bit of an assumption to say that they killed themselves in limbo....as you dont see it.
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Hardly Saito clearly looks to the gun once he is reminded by Cobb that he is in limbo. We know this is the only way out anyway....
 
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A few things I can't work out.

How did they all get back to 'reality' (the plane), from the city/van dream. You saw them get kicked back to that level and swim out of the van, but then they would have still had ~1 week of that dream before the dream machine timer expired? Surely they would have been destroyed by the mercenary projections?

How did Cobb & Ariadne join Fischer in limbo? I thought you entered limbo by dying in a dream where your to heavily sedated for it to kick you out, they just seemed to lay down and fire up a dream machine. Why would that take them to limbo?

Why was Saito old and Cobb not when he convinced him to kill himself to get out of limbo?

I've a couple theories about each of these but would be interested to see what other people think?
 
Chris1712 said:
A few things I can't work out.

How did they all get back to 'reality' (the plane), from the city/van dream. You saw them get kicked back to that level and swim out of the van, but then they would have still had ~1 week of that dream before the dream machine timer expired? Surely they would have been destroyed by the mercenary projections?

How did Cobb & Ariadne join Fischer in limbo? I thought you entered limbo by dying in a dream where your to heavily sedated for it to kick you out, they just seemed to lay down and fire up a dream machine. Why would that take them to limbo?

Why was Saito old and Cobb not when he convinced him to kill himself to get out of limbo?

I've a couple theories about each of these but would be interested to see what other people think?
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I don't have a good explanation for the first, however...

How did Cobb & Ariadne join Fischer in limbo? As I understand it, the dream machine allows you to share in someone else's dream, so they used the machine to enter Fischer's limbo dream.

Why was Saito old and Cobb not when he convinced him to kill himself to get out of limbo? Because Saito died in the level above before Cobb and had spent far longer in limbo (remember time is accelerated the deeper you go).
 
Chris1712 said:
A few things I can't work out.

How did they all get back to 'reality' (the plane), from the city/van dream. You saw them get kicked back to that level and swim out of the van, but then they would have still had ~1 week of that dream before the dream machine timer expired? Surely they would have been destroyed by the mercenary projections?
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manual kick

Chris1712 said:
Why was Saito old and Cobb not when he convinced him to kill himself to get out of limbo?
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time moves faster in limbo compared to dream 3, so more years would have past in shorter real time by the time cobb entered.
hence why mavity guy in dream 2 only had minutes to sort the kick out but the guys in dream 3 had hours...something like that anyway lol
 
iamtheoneneo said:
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By who? Someone on the plane? How would they know the mission was over? They were all still in the first dream after the van hit the water.

time moves faster in limbo compared to dream 3, so more years would have past in shorter real time by the time cobb entered.
hence why mavity guy in dream 2 only had minutes to sort the kick out but the guys in dream 3 had hours...something like that anyway lol
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I thought this aswell, but didn't cobb & ariadne enter limbo before saito who was holding off the mercs a bit with eames before he died. So cobb would have been in their longer?
My only other vague idea for this would be that Cobb infact entered limbo twice. He 'died' in limbo after Mal tried to stab him but then happened to go back to snow fortress dream just as he died there (crushed in the building) and popped back to limbo (washed up on Saito's shore) where he needed to be. This really pushes the time difference stuff and seems a bit to convoluted to be a real explanation though?
 
Chris1712 said:
By who? Someone on the plane? How would they know the mission was over? They were all still in the first dream after the van hit the water.
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van driver? dunno some guy above said it and thought it made a bit of sense but infact doesnt.

Chris1712 said:
I thought this aswell, but didn't cobb & ariadne enter limbo before saito who was holding off the mercs a bit with eames before he died. So cobb would have been in their longer?
My only other vague idea for this would be that Cobb infact entered limbo twice. He 'died' in limbo after Mal tried to stab him but then happened to go back to snow fortress dream just as he died there (crushed in the building) and popped back to limbo (washed up on Saito's shore) where he needed to be. This really pushes the time difference stuff and seems a bit to convoluted to be a real explanation though?
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my mrs thought this (about 2 limbos) and i think its probably right....bc he does get washed up twice indicating 2 different dream 'zones', given that mal and cobb created a dream world together it isnt too unreasonable to think that cobb had a part of mals consciousness as limbo 1 and once he delt with that he went back to his own consciousness where he had to save Saito?? the film hints pretty hard at this possibility with the whole death of mal story.
 
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There was a part early on in the film where he's looking into a mirror, spins his top, but then gets startled by someone and the top falls to the floor. What happened to the top, did it topple over?
 
Chris1712 said:
By who? Someone on the plane? How would they know the mission was over? They were all still in the first dream after the van hit the water.
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Wasn't a kick, the 'dream machine' is programmed to bring you out at the end of a predetermined amount of time. The kick is used to bring you out before this time.
 
Following on from the connection between the film music and 'je ne regrette rien', it occurs to me to wonder:
The music is played to the dreamers as a ten second warning of a 'kick' as I understand it. I can't remember if it goes off on a timer or what.
But to the dreamers, whose sense of time is sped up, it would actually sound really slowed down, like the film music does.
It would be too literal to require the music in the real world to be sped up so the dreamers would hear it at the correct speed - wouldn't it?? I think the dreamers would hear the start of the music in the real world and translate it in the dream into the song.
Does that sound reasonable?
 
what a mind **** even reading inception explained http://www.cinemablend.com/new/inception-explained-unraveling-the-dream-within-the-dream-19615.html

i still cant decide wether it was a dream or not !

to many theories and alternate theories ARGHHHH! brilliant film though
it's been a couple weeks since i first saw the film so perhaps have forgotten but wasn't leo's totem actually his wife's totem? did we ever find out what his totem originally was?
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aparently he only ever wears his wedding ring in the dream world.

which would make the end the real world :S

but kids didnt seem to age from his memory? although aparently acording to the costume designer they werent wearing the same clothes.
 
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