'Incident' on Tube - District Line

Arazi · 22 Sep 2017 at 19:04

Am i the only one wondering why the word terrorism doesnt seem to appear in any of the charges against him.

What is the likely sentence for the charges against him and will he then be deported?

Any insight on this Burnsy?

Zatoichi.uK · 23 Sep 2017 at 08:06

One was attempted murder and the other related to the building of an IED as far as I'm aware.

TheVoice · 23 Sep 2017 at 12:32

deuse said:
I give up....

On what, repeating the same incoherent rubbish over and over?

TJM · 23 Sep 2017 at 12:58

Arazi said:
Am i the only one wondering why the word terrorism doesnt seem to appear in any of the charges against him.

To overly simplify the charging practice:

If you are arrested before you have a chance to do anything, you will be charged with preparing an act of terrorism and/or conspiring to commit an offence (like the transatlantic aircraft plotters).
If you are caught immediately before you carry out the act or fail in the attempt, you will be charged with attempting to commit an offence and/or conspiring.
If you carry out the attack successfully, you will be charged with the substantive offence - murder, causing an explosion, etc.

As for sentencing, the failed 21/7 bombers received life with a minimum tariff of 40 years' imprisonment.

Arazi · 23 Sep 2017 at 14:09

TJM said:
To overly simplify the charging practice:

If you are arrested before you have a chance to do anything, you will be charged with preparing an act of terrorism and/or conspiring to commit an offence (like the transatlantic aircraft plotters).
If you are caught immediately before you carry out the act or fail in the attempt, you will be charged with attempting to commit an offence and/or conspiring.
If you carry out the attack successfully, you will be charged with the substantive offence - murder, causing an explosion, etc.

As for sentencing, the failed 21/7 bombers received life with a minimum tariff of 40 years' imprisonment.

Thanks for that, the attempted murder charge, attempted murder of what? 1 person, 10, 20, 30?

Will he face deportation, if not why not?

Gog · 23 Sep 2017 at 14:37

Arazi said:
Will he face deportation, if not why not?

If he gets over a 12 month sentence then yes. Subject to appeals....

Arazi · 23 Sep 2017 at 15:01

Gog said:
If he gets over a 12 month sentence then yes. Subject to appeals....

Thanks.
There shouldn't be a problem then, surely he is going away for 15+ years, so deportation it is, good, get the scum out and anymore of his ilk.

TJM · 23 Sep 2017 at 15:26

Arazi said:
Thanks for that, the attempted murder charge, attempted murder of what? 1 person, 10, 20, 30?

Attempted murder of persons unknown. The number of people actually in the theoretical blast radius wouldn't make any difference to the sentence.

Arazi said:
There shouldn't be a problem then, surely he is going away for 15+ years, so deportation it is, good, get the scum out and anymore of his ilk.

It will be closer to 40. The half-time release rule doesn't apply to minimum tariffs on life sentences.

Arazi · 23 Sep 2017 at 15:48

TJM said:
Attempted murder of persons unknown. The number of people actually in the theoretical blast radius wouldn't make any difference to the sentence.

It will be closer to 40. The half-time release rule doesn't apply to minimum tariffs on life sentences.

Thanks

Maccy · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:44

Jailed for a minimum of 34 years apparently.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43519540
https://news.sky.com/story/live-parsons-green-tube-bomber-ahmed-hassan-sentenced-11301014

LiE · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:54

Maccy said:
Jailed for a minimum of 34 years apparently.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43519540
https://news.sky.com/story/live-parsons-green-tube-bomber-ahmed-hassan-sentenced-11301014

On the Sky news article, are the updates at the bottom quotes from the Judge?

I quite liked this one:

I sentence you to life imprisonment with min term of 34 years. You will have plenty of time to read the Koran in prison. The Koran is a book of peace. Islam forbids breaking the law of the land. Islam forbids terrorism. You have violated Islam and the Koran by your actions.

Firestar_3x · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:55

^ was just about to quote that.

Maccy · 23 Mar 2018 at 14:55

@LiE I think they are yeh, most recent at the top.

CaptainRAVE · 23 Mar 2018 at 15:01

Haha, nice quote. A decent sentence too.

dirtychinchilla · 23 Mar 2018 at 15:54

Nice words by the judge, bang on I think.

inferno · 24 Mar 2018 at 08:49

Will there be any accountablity for the home office officials who let someone into the country who was 'kidnapped and trained to kill by Isis'. The police have a hard enough time without us letting in people like this.

Skunkworks · 24 Mar 2018 at 14:59

^Agree.

People are rubber-stamping these entrants willy-nilly knowing the consequences will be for others. If the person that allows the entry of a known ISIS sympathizer could actually be held even partly responsible for the entrant’s actions I bet the screening process would suddenly become a lot more thorough and cautious.

The same goes for those who enabled grooming gangs with their negligence. Police, social services, councilors etc – they need to start going to prison.