Insane for downgrading?

[TNA]

Further depreciate? He sold it for £300 having bought it for £400. He then had to buy a card for £50 and now has much less performance with no warranty.

He could've kept the 1070ti for another year and not "lost" much more than the £50 he spent on the 550. If a game comes up in the meantime that needs the power, it's there. If the card breaks in that time, he can RMA it.

By the time Cyberpunk 2077 comes out I get the feeling 1070Ti will be worth no more than £150. I am hoping Navi will push this tear performance's pricing down.

In my case I decided to sell my Titan XP at a £30 loss for £450. Pretty sure Titan XP won't be worth much more than £225 in 12 month's time. Unless there is a mining boom again or something.

 

[Scania]

Give up on pc gaming and just get your self a console no more upgrade issues until a new generation of consoles comes out, all sorted and you can sleep at night.

Mate of mine has recently done this, looked into a 4K screen and a suitable upgrade for his SLI 980ti’s, decided not to bother, sold his rig for £400, bought a 4K 45” TV with the proceeds and then spent less than half his would be PC upgrade budget (~£1k) on an XBox 1X and the rest an external USB 2Tb drive and around 100 or so X-Box games from CEX with plenty of change left over, he’s more than happy and not regretting the decision in the slightest.

 

[z10m]

Mate of mine has recently done this, looked into a 4K screen and a suitable upgrade for his SLI 980ti’s, decided not to bother, sold his rig for £400, bought a 4K 45” TV with the proceeds and then spent less than half his would be PC upgrade budget (~£1k) on an XBox 1X and the rest an external USB 2Tb drive and around 100 or so X-Box games from CEX with plenty of change left over, he’s more than happy and not regretting the decision in the slightest.

Yeah but OP said that even 60fps isn't enough for him now since he got his 100hz monitor.
4k at 30fps is ok if you are looking at static image but as soon as you start moving around it turns in to blurry mess...

 

[Scania]

Yeah but OP said that even 60fps isn't enough for him now since he got his 100hz monitor.
4k at 30fps is ok if you are looking at static image but as soon as you start moving around it turns in to blurry mess...

Maybe it's my eyes, but, watching my lad on his 1X @4K and I'm assuming 30fps, it's anything but blurry, far from it tbh.

 

[TNA]

Maybe it's my eyes, but, watching my lad on his 1X @4K and I'm assuming 30fps, it's anything but blurry, far from it tbh.

Same. Just seems some people vision is slightly different or they like to exaggerate.

There seems like there is some bias involved with some posters. Many seem to downplay how much better 4K looks like and exaggerate the improvement brought about by higher hertz.

I have learned to ignore others opinions when it comes to monitors due to it being so subjective. I buy and test which monitor suits my needs. I don’t play online and only play single player games. I find 60hz to be plenty good and would rather stick the extra grunt into better graphics presently.

 

[Scania]

Same. Just seems some people vision is slightly different or they like to exaggerate.

There seems like there is some bias involved with some posters. Many seem to downplay how much better 4K looks like and exaggerate the improvement brought about by higher hertz.

I have learned to ignore others opinions when it comes to monitors due to it being so subjective. I buy and test which monitor suits my needs. I don’t play online and only play single player games. I find 60hz to be plenty good and would rather stick the extra grunt into better graphics presently.

Pretty much the same view here, I tried a 32” 100Hz monitor but sent it back and went for a 43” 4K tv instead, yes it’s 60Hz but I find the bigger screen far nicer than the smaller 100Hz one, the image quality difference to my mind was barely if at all different and the cost massively better to go with the bigger screen which made it a no brainier to my mind.

I play online (Battlefield 4 in the main) and can’t say I’ve had any issues whatsoever with regard to my display.

Ultimately as you say it’s each to their own, to some 60Hz is awful others fine, just as some people feel anything less than 100+ FPS is an absolute must whereas to others 40+ is perfectly fine (in the case of FPS I find the most effective option is not have the FPS counter displaying and just enjoy the game!)

 

[z10m]

I tried a 32” 100Hz monitor but sent it back and went for a 43” 4K tv instead, yes it’s 60Hz but I find the bigger screen far nicer than the smaller 100Hz one, the image quality difference to my mind was barely if at all different and the cost massively better to go with the bigger screen which made it a no brainier to my mind.

You are using TV as a monitor.? What about the input lag.? For me using mouse and keyboard is unbearable and my TV has only 27ms lag in game mode (which is how I use it when playing on a controller).
Before LCDs were first popular I was using high refresh rate CRT and switching to 60hz LCD was a huge downgrade to me. At the time LCDs were quite bad when it comes to pixel response time on top of low hz.
As soon as first 120hz LCDs came out I got one of those.
High refresh rate and low input lag it's something you get used to when used a lot and going back to 60hz is very difficult at least for me.

 

[Scania]

You are using TV as a monitor.? What about the input lag.? For me using mouse and keyboard is unbearable and my TV has only 27ms lag in game mode (which is how I use it when playing on a controller).
Before LCDs were first popular I was using high refresh rate CRT and switching to 60hz LCD was a huge downgrade to me. At the time LCDs were quite bad when it comes to pixel response time on top of low hz.
As soon as first 120hz LCDs came out I got one of those.
High refresh rate and low input lag it's something you get used to when used a lot and going back to 60hz is very difficult at least for me.

Yes, an LG 43” 4K and I have to say I’ve not noticed any lag whatsoever be it on-line in Battlefield 4 or ripping around Oulton Park in Project Cars through to high speed canyon buzzing in FSX, it’s very smooth - much better than my previous triple screen setup imo.

My nephew has a 100Hz screen and the same Zotac 1080ti Amp Extreme GPU as me but I can’t say I’ve noticed any difference when playing on his rig to mine, he loves my screen size but doesn’t have room in his bedroom for one otherwise he’s said he’d happily switch.

I put the 100Hz monitor I’d bought along side the TV before I returned the monitor to compare and must say I preferred the image on the TV - especially the screen size and picture vibrance.

I’m perfectly happy with it especially given the price difference!

 

[Dirk Diggler]

@TNA @Scania out of interest, are you exclusively using a controller or do you use K&M @ 60Hz?

 

[TNA]

@TNA @Scania out of interest, are you exclusively using a controller or do you use K&M @ 60Hz?

I use both, depends on the game.

As mentioned, I only play single player games therefore I find 60fps to be plenty smooth. I actually lock most games to 57fps (some games like fighters need 60) as recommended by blur busters for g-sync. Buttery smooth for my needs.

 

[Scania]

K

@TNA @Scania out of interest, are you exclusively using a controller or do you use K&M @ 60Hz?

Keyboard & Mouse for FPS shooters / GTA etc, Wheel & pedals for racing, Stick for flying.

 

[z10m]

I use both, depends on the game.

As mentioned, I only play single player games therefore I find 60fps to be plenty smooth. I actually lock most games to 57fps (some games like fighters need 60) as recommended by blur busters for g-sync. Buttery smooth for my needs.

It's about control responsivness more than anything really but on top of that you get less motion blurr at high refresh rate.

 

[TNA]

It's about control responsivness more than anything really but on top of that you get less motion blurr at high refresh rate.

Yeah. The control responsiveness is fine for me, I like to play chilled out and take my time. If I was gaming competitively then I may buy a 240hz monitor, but I don't. As for motion blur, I again do not see anything that is a cause for concern. Hell most people actually waste fps to have the box ticked in game "must max out game"

 

[Chrisc]

Yeah but OP said that even 60fps isn't enough for him now since he got his 100hz monitor.
4k at 30fps is ok if you are looking at static image but as soon as you start moving around it turns in to blurry mess...

it looks ok in 4k matched with HDR, but the 30fps is incredibly noticeable when playing a game. To me it feels Lethargic and not enjoyable.

 

[Vexr]

By the time Cyberpunk 2077 comes out I get the feeling 1070Ti will be worth no more than £150. I am hoping Navi will push this tear performance's pricing down

That's my feeling. I bought my GTX 970 used for £220 IIRC, which was a bargain at the time. I ended up selling it for £100. I even had two used GTX 970s costing about £450 together at one point, but quickly got rid of one at cost after I found out proper SLI in Rise of The Tomb Raider wasn't happening anytime soon.

Further depreciate? He sold it for £300 having bought it for £400. He then had to buy a card for £50 and now has much less performance with no warranty.

He could've kept the 1070ti for another year and not "lost" much more than the £50 he spent on the 550. If a game comes up in the meantime that needs the power, it's there. If the card breaks in that time, he can RMA it.

The thing people seem to forget is that I actually got use out of the 1070 Ti, playing probably at least two thirds of the triple A titles this generation has to offer before I sold it for the £100/25% loss. I scratched the itch, experienced the games, and in the end saw this card was overly expensive for what it was delivering and questioned my PC gaming habits when I could be nicely entertained on older/indie titles that barely require much GPU power at all.

I also have a healthy anticipation of what titles like Cyberpunk 2077 and Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 may bring, plus Navi/some near-future leap in ray tracing performance, and figured I'd cash out now. There's even Stadia to consider - if that ends up offering 100 hz @ 3440x1440 ultra / ray traced for some reasonable price per month along with access to games without purchase, then that'd make a middle-of-the-road but overpriced card like the 1070 Ti completely redundant.

On top of all that I had my GSync issue - which possibly may only become more prevalent as the move to DX12 borderless fullscreen becomes the standard at the expense of exclusive full screen, and no sign NVidia / MS are even willing to acknowledge it, let alone fix it.