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Intel Allegedly Playing Dirty Again To Undercut AMD’s Ryzen

I always take allegations with a pinch of salt. We never know the real truths. In the UK however at least anti-bribery laws are now actually pretty good. Some of those accusations could result in massive fines, should a company for example offer money in return for certain things (including delaying products containing compeititors components).
 
Wccf is about as trusted a source as the Daily Mail. If it is true then I hope the courts find their big girl pants and really spank Intel for it - but it being wccf I just assume click bait. Intel sales people want to sell chips, they have - *gasp* offered incentives to buyers. They have also tried to sell chips even while we are waiting for AMD to complete the launch of their chips *Faints*

Seriously this looks and smells like garbage, written by someone that understands just enough about the wholesale market to spin what are perfectly normal tactics as evil Intel tricks.

Don't get me wrong as I already said - if they are guilty then with their form of doing it before I hope the book really gets thrown at them, but I doubt it is true.
 
Beren said:
I doubt it is true.
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Yes.. because their past history of doing exactly this & the profit incentive of doing exactly this AGAIN is doubtful.
For Intel, these fines are simply the cost of doing business. Accounts will look at the cost of having competition Vs the cost of fines. Clearly the cost of competition outweighs the fines.
 
its not about one company is good and another is evil
more companies than not do this, certainly the big ones
i guess we can be thankful at least INTEL are not putting our lives at risk
you cant trust a big company to have morals, its just maths to them
 
Mei said:
its not about one company is good and another is evil
more companies than not do this, certainly the big ones
i guess we can be thankful at least INTEL are not putting our lives at risk
you cant trust a big company to have morals, its just maths to them
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That's why you know it's highly probable they are pulling the same crap. They won't ever stop unless the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
 
The source appears to be a financial report filed by AMD a few days ago where they are basically speculating that Intel might get up to some old tricks in response to Ryzen, there aren't actually any allegations it's all just future speculation.

Charlie Demerjian of Semi Accurate has said that Intel have put out a panicked call to the press and claims it's because they're worried and insinuates they are up to no good.

Wccftech then put them both together and all of that speculation suddenly becomes an allegation of foul play.
 
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Troezar said:
There should be prison sentences for those kind of tactics, soon put a stop to it. That or personally fine the company directors.
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It's not actually illegal unless you are a monopoly.

Exclusive contracts exist in a lot of industries. Take Pepsi and Coke for example.

Did Intel even get in trouble in the US? Wasn't it just the EU?
 
muon said:
It's not actually illegal unless you are a monopoly.

Exclusive contracts exist in a lot of industries. Take Pepsi and Coke for example.

Did Intel even get in trouble in the US? Wasn't it just the EU?
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At one point, a Dell executive notes that Intel executives “are prepared for an all-out war if Dell joins the AMD exodus. We get ZERO MCP for at least one quarter while Intel ‘investigates the details’ … We’ll also have to bite and scratch to hold 50%, including a commitment to NOT ship in Corporate. If we go in Opti, they cut it to <20% and use the added MCP to compete against us.” (Opti meaning Optiplex, Dell’s business segment). Note that Intel isn’t just threatening to withhold payment — it’s telling Dell it’ll take the MCP money the company would’ve gotten, and give it to Dell’s competitors.

In the past, I’ve gone after OEM manufacturers for failing to take any kind of risks in product marketing and creating an abominable laptop market, but there is another side to this particular coin. Intel’s own policies created and enforced a situation in which OEMs were ultimately trapped in a cutthroat race-to-the-bottom scenario — if Dell gave up marketing funds, HP could take those funds, cut its prices lower to compensate, and then be undercutting Dell. In its original antitrust filing, AMD noted that it tried to give HP a million free processors at one point, only to be told that HP was so dependent on Intel rebates, it couldn’t afford to take them.

The table below shows Dell’s MCP payment receipts from Intel according to SEC filings. The FTC conducted its own investigation as well. "

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that's where you are mistaken, intel doesn't ask for exclusivity deals, they actualy put companies in a situation that they have no other choice but to submit, and if they dont, they probably fall out of business.
no body is arguing about exclusivity deals here.
and intel lost in US court and had to pay 1.25Bil, but EU court is still in process, they still haven't payed, and the money wont go to AMD.
you should read this full article it will help you understand what's going on : extremtech
 
MadMossy said:
Intel were fined 1.4 billion euros in 2014 for this behaviour by the EU court and $1.25 billion in the US for anti-competitive behaviour so if they did the same again they would be ******
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A $1.4 or a 1.25 billion payment over a decade and a half is chump change for a multi-national conglomerate like Intel. Which generates ~$60 billion in yearly revenue and spends several billion on marketing alone in a given quarter. Because these market destructive practices are and can only be met with too little too late, from a purely economical perspective, Intel finds the results of its actions more advantageous than detrimental.
 
faceman123 said:
Hey guys!

What are your thoughts on the following -
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56457/intel-scrambles-emails-tech-media-over-ryzen-reviews/index.html

Lack of competitions is the reason why we have been stuck on Quads since 08.

Intel were previously fined for anti-competitive tactics - http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/12/5...billion-fine-upheld-anticompetitive-practices


I wonder how ryzen will impact the used market - in particular Sykale/kabylake i5's
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Intel could just be telling reviewers to hold fire before publishing reviews so that they can respond with price cuts, nobody knows. This whole "Intel are playing dirty" story is based on one line from the Semi Accurate guy who is an AMD fanboy saying that Intel are reaching out to reviewers and subsequent articles are pointing to historical cases as proof of wrongdoing.
 
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