Intel Allegedly Playing Dirty Again To Undercut AMD’s Ryzen

[Freddie1980]

Intel were fined 1.4 billion euros in 2014 for this behaviour by the EU court and $1.25 billion in the US for anti-competitive behaviour so if they did the same again they would be ******

1.4 billion over 10 years isn't a lot of money for Intel. They should change the penalties so courts can fine companies on % of turnover if that was a reality and Intel was hit at 30% I doubt they would ever do it again.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

Intel could just be telling reviewers to hold fire before publishing reviews so that they can respond with price cuts, nobody knows.

They've had enough time to make some sort of announcement. Not sure why reviewers should have to hold fire, write the reviews based off Intel's current CPUs and prices, if Intel respond then good for them .

 

[DragonQ]

Based on their history of doing this, I am sure that if they repeat it then one can only hope that US and EU courts throw the book at them, the previous fines were pitiful in comparison to their annual profits.

Not sure how much I believe this article but I agree that it's not enough to fine businesses after the big wigs have already made their profits. Personal repercussions are the only way to stop such behaviour.

 

[4K8KW10]

To up this thread because it best fits what's really going on
Everyone and their dog sees that AMD's mobile processors, despite obvious technological superiority over the Intel's counterparts, aren't being used by the OEMs.

Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated]
Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated] : Amd (reddit.com)

"One OEM finally secretly admitted that the real reason for this was an internal agreement between Intel and NVIDIA, under which the most powerful graphics cards from the Turing family could only be combined with 10th generation Intel processors. Unfortunately, we do not know exactly what conditions and / or amounts were at stake, but the whole thing must have undoubtedly concerned large amounts, since no OEM broke out and prepared laptops based on AMD processors."

 

[humbug]

To up this thread because it best fits what's really going on
Everyone and their dog sees that AMD's mobile processors, despite obvious technological superiority over the Intel's counterparts, aren't being used by the OEMs.

Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated]
Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated] : Amd (reddit.com)

"One OEM finally secretly admitted that the real reason for this was an internal agreement between Intel and NVIDIA, under which the most powerful graphics cards from the Turing family could only be combined with 10th generation Intel processors. Unfortunately, we do not know exactly what conditions and / or amounts were at stake, but the whole thing must have undoubtedly concerned large amounts, since no OEM broke out and prepared laptops based on AMD processors."

Whatever that deal may or may not have been it didn't work, it may have worked temporarily but if AMD just keeps knocking out good products what are you going to do? keep paying them not to use AMD's products? This sort of thing only works if you can hurt your competition in doing it, by denying them revenue, there are a lot of OEM's now selling a lot of products, 10X what the market was in 2002, Intel will bankrupt themselves trying to keep AMD out of it and it wouldn't even have the desired effect because AMD are far more diverse now with revenue streams beyond what Intel even have any part in.

F you Intel its not going to work this time, you've been dumped by Apple, increasingly Asus seems to be snubbing you in favour of AMD, AMD are eating more of your lunch in every sector, but keep going with your stupid little games, the walls are still going to close in around you.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

To up this thread because it best fits what's really going on
Everyone and their dog sees that AMD's mobile processors, despite obvious technological superiority over the Intel's counterparts, aren't being used by the OEMs.

Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated]
Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated] : Amd (reddit.com)

"One OEM finally secretly admitted that the real reason for this was an internal agreement between Intel and NVIDIA, under which the most powerful graphics cards from the Turing family could only be combined with 10th generation Intel processors. Unfortunately, we do not know exactly what conditions and / or amounts were at stake, but the whole thing must have undoubtedly concerned large amounts, since no OEM broke out and prepared laptops based on AMD processors."

Interesting, could even be true, but it's not factual proof of anything, it's just hearsay with no reference to any source or anything based on anything close to approaching a fact.

 

[KompuKare]

Interesting, could even be true, but it's not factual proof of anything, it's just hearsay with no reference to any source or anything based on anything close to approaching a fact.

You think Intel would leave any actual trail?
Remember, the last time they were clever enough to settle before a court could reach a verdict.
So guilty as can be, but never formally found guilty.
Also, remember Intel are the company who spent billions on what they called "contra-revenue" (since dumping is illegal in many parts of the world) to get Atom into the tablet market after spending years crippling Atom and only using it as a means of keeping old fabs busy.

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

If they have done something dodgy there is always a trail, no matter what. As it stands, a wfcc article based on hearsay isn't really the smoking gun of years gone by. There might be more developments, but in lieu of previous indiscretions I'd imagine they would be a lot more careful if they are being shady, or simply not be so stupid to do the same thing twice. I'm certainly not buying into any of this as it stands, it's literally a nothing story and could easily just be made up by anyone.

 

[muziqaz]

I'm not saying that article is BS, but for the moment, AMD is selling everything they make. They need massive amounts of capacity increase from FABs. They created a monster with Ryzen, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. Look what is happening with 5000 series and GPUs, AND consoles. TSMC just can't keep up. If Intel/nVidia were smart and done some bean counting beforehand, they would have realised that AMD will hit the capacity wall, so there was no need to bribe OEMs to exclude AMD chips from their designs.
Obviously if it is still true, intel/nVidia need to be punished, but other than that, AMDs biggest headache at the moment is getting more FAB allocation from TSMC pronto

 

[MasterOC]

I'm not saying that article is BS, but for the moment, AMD is selling everything they make. They need massive amounts of capacity increase from FABs. They created a monster with Ryzen, and everyone wants a piece of the pie. Look what is happening with 5000 series and GPUs, AND consoles. TSMC just can't keep up. If Intel/nVidia were smart and done some bean counting beforehand, they would have realised that AMD will hit the capacity wall, so there was no need to bribe OEMs to exclude AMD chips from their designs.
Obviously if it is still true, intel/nVidia need to be punished, but other than that, AMDs biggest headache at the moment is getting more FAB allocation from TSMC pronto

The issue with that is, AMD are still far outselling Intel after having hit this manufacturing wall. Many of the top e commerce sits list there best sellers. AMDs production will ramp albeit slowly. there a threat the moment they sell more , and a bit of pre emotive skull duggery will still hit AMDs pocket .

 

[4K8KW10]

AMD needs to establish its own lineup of premium and mid-range laptops. This is the only way to combat such shady initiatives by its competitors.
Screw them all - MSI, Asus, HP, Dell, all is corrupted.

 

[jaybee]

I hate these practises by Intel but unfortunately we need Intel to partially succeed with a revival of their CPU line up. Good competition is good for consumers. We don't want an AMD annihilation.

 

[humbug]

AMD needs to establish its own lineup of premium and mid-range laptops. This is the only way to combat such shady initiatives by its competitors.
Screw them all - MSI, Asus, HP, Dell, all is corrupted.

Asus are making more and more AMD Laptops, they are actually pushing AMD Laptop's with success, Dell and HP are Intel loyalists, they are legacy vendors and both were involved with taking Intel's money not to sell AMD products back in the early 2000's, Dell were caught in the crossfire of AMD's lawsuit with Intel, you're never going to see any meaningful AMD products from Dell.
I don't even care, AMD are building a partnership with Asus, a relationship, Asus are pretty big themselves, perhaps they can steal some of Dell's market share, i'm rooting for Asus.

 

[hyperseven]

To up this thread because it best fits what's really going on
Everyone and their dog sees that AMD's mobile processors, despite obvious technological superiority over the Intel's counterparts, aren't being used by the OEMs.

Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated]
Intel and NVIDIA had an internal agreement that blocked the development of laptops with AMD Renoir and GeForce RTX 2070 and above [PurePC.pl, Google Translated] : Amd (reddit.com)

"One OEM finally secretly admitted that the real reason for this was an internal agreement between Intel and NVIDIA, under which the most powerful graphics cards from the Turing family could only be combined with 10th generation Intel processors. Unfortunately, we do not know exactly what conditions and / or amounts were at stake, but the whole thing must have undoubtedly concerned large amounts, since no OEM broke out and prepared laptops based on AMD processors."

So no proof . You ressurect an old post why

You'll be blaming Intel for your WHEA errors and lack of BIOS updates next

 

[humbug]

I have posted this several times, but its worth it, Asus new high end Laptop's launched at CES are pretty much exclusively AMD.

 

[muziqaz]

The issue with that is, AMD are still far outselling Intel after having hit this manufacturing wall. Many of the top e commerce sits list there best sellers. AMDs production will ramp albeit slowly. there a threat the moment they sell more , and a bit of pre emotive skull duggery will still hit AMDs pocket .

AMD is outselling in DIY market, not in notebook market. Intel is still very strong in notebooks, especially with tiger lake. There is no slaughtering going on unlike in Desktop or server market

 

[4K8KW10]

By the way, you can easily check all the available laptop models on the German market at Notebook nVidia GeForce RTX 2070; nVidia GeForce RTX 2070 Super; nVidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super; nVidia GeForce RTX 2080 Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

Indeed, search and you will not find any models with RTX 2070 or above that list AMD's Renoir APUs.

So no proof

I guess the proof will go directly to the court. We have leaked information: Google Translate

"According to the information we have found, Intel and NVIDIA had an agreement signed last year, under which it was not possible to prepare laptop configurations with AMD Ryzen 4000 processors and graphics cards at the GeForce RTX 2070 level and above."

 

[hyperseven]

By the way, you can easily check all the available laptop models on the German market at Notebook nVidia GeForce RTX 2070; nVidia GeForce RTX 2070 Super; nVidia GeForce RTX 2080 Super; nVidia GeForce RTX 2080 Preisvergleich | Günstig bei idealo kaufen

Indeed, search and you will not find any models with RTX 2070 or above that list AMD's Renoir APUs.



I guess the proof will go directly to the court. We have leaked information: Google Translate

"According to the information we have found, Intel and NVIDIA had an agreement signed last year, under which it was not possible to prepare laptop configurations with AMD Ryzen 4000 processors and graphics cards at the GeForce RTX 2070 level and above."

No source, actual documentation so made up nonsense . Guess some people believe anything

 

[4K8KW10]

No source

The market search is a source. Give at least a single laptop model with RTX 2070 and AMD Ryzen 4000 to prove the claim wrong.

 

[humbug]

AMD is outselling in DIY market, not in notebook market. Intel is still very strong in notebooks, especially with tiger lake. There is no slaughtering going on unlike in Desktop or server market

Does anyone know of any CPU market share figures that isn't from Passmark, you wouldn't think data like that would be so difficult to find but it is, its like trying to find a very jealously guarded secrete.

I'm pretty sure Passmarks figures of about 20% vs 80% AMD -Intel in Laptop's and 40% vs 60% AMD vs Intel all sales is pretty accurate but because its from their own data dumps of their own software its dismissed out of hand.