Intel CPU Pricing

[Akagi]

That could very well be correct. I just remember reading someones post on here which suggested prices had been lowered, and I read one article. Don't take my word for it for God's sake!

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

You're focusing on one thing, SMT, its not the only teething problem Zen has, do you think there is some sort of "game extension" that AMD is weak with? no.... the IPC is there in everything but games, there is no hardware reason why a CPU should be as good at productivity but fall behind in games only, if there was it would not beat the 6900K in both integer and floating point.

The only thing i can think of is some issue with the communication between the CPU and PCIe lanes, that would cause draw call latency which will reduce gaming performance, its likely given that this the first desktop CPU with SOC PCIe controllers and perhaps motherboard vendors need more time to understand the miscrocode.

Whatever,it is KL is like 33% faster,and in the forum test I saw,despite the chap who had the R7 1700 overclocked to 4GHZ,and tried every trick which has been suggested to improve performance,it didn't do much. The worst thing is that a SKL Core i7 when overclocked and with 3000MHZ was over 50% faster. It sadly fits with one or two other results I saw too. The problem is that the tests they did were not the most intense part of the game either.

It might be something iffy with the BIOS on current AM4 motherboards or even a memory controller issue,but honestly I am getting fed-up with all these AMD launches were you live in hope at better performance since they rush out hardware without proper firmware or software support - only three weeks to get BIOSes ready is an ****** joke. If this was something one-off I could understand,but again and again the same story. This is what will happen with Vega - there will be some problem,and all of us will say,but,but it will be fixed in a few weeks or months.

The worst thing is Intel is probably having a massive sigh of relief - they needed something to not be right during the launch to claim a victory,and AMD pushing Ryzen out half-baked has just given them some breathing room. This is the same thing with the R9 290X launch - AMD had to use the world's worst stock cooler on their highest TDP single GPU card in years,giving Nvidia a chance to exploit it. An R9 290X with a proper stock cooler,would have made Nvidia look in big trouble.

Yeah,I will give it some time,ie,a few months but TBH,especially since mini-ITX motherboards will take some time to be released,but if it takes that long I might as well not bother since Mass Effect:Andromeda will be out anyway,and I estimate my CPU should be enough although not top dog.

After that,I have no games I really am interested in to change the platform this year - this is why I might as well see what Ryzen 2 and Coffee Lake bring to the table.

If the Zen APU is out before Ryzen 2 and has uarch improvements I might just get one of those instead.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

So ryzen being the failure that it is amd is claiming the cpu is good for 4k gaming etc. But gaming at 4k doesnt fix ryzens lack of gaming performance, it simply masks it by introducing a gpu bottleneck insted of a cpu bottleneck.
Games will continue to benefit from faster single core speeds. By the time 8 cores are used properly ryzen will be out dated and faster cpus will be around.
For productivity work however ryzen pretty much puts an end to the purchase of the 6900k

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

So ryzen being the failure that it is

Please... "Failure"

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Please... "Failure"

It is not a failure,but it has weaknesses in performance which do need to be addressed,as opposed to some weird notion that the only games worth talking about were made last year and this year.

The more the excuse makers try to bury any mention of that,the more likely AMD is not going to give a damn,and only care to optimise for games which have MOAR cores,which they will want to use in reviews.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

The more people blow things out of proportion, the more silly it sounds though.
To call it a failure is laughable.

 

[xs2man]

Agreed. Is it not only something like 10% behind KBL in most new-ish AAA titles? Hardly loads, especially when you consider the poor bios, and windows optimisations that are forthcoming. And only in gaming. It's hardly a failure. It's a rushed launch, sure. But the popularity proves there is a market there, and people are itching for a competitor to intel.

Sure, for high end gamers, Ryzen probably isn't the correct choice. If you are running 2 1080ti's, on a proper 4K screen, and wanting the maximum possible fps, and ALL you do is play games in campaign mode or whatever, then you would go 7700k at the moment. And if that's your MO then your probably upgrading your entire system every 18 months or so anyway. So probably better going for the best right now, as opposed to what might be the better choice in 6-18 months.

For the likes of me though, who probably won't be upgrading for another 4-6 years, Ryzen makes complete sense. I get the workstation performance that destroys all just now, at least with price/performance, whilst still having a very capable machine for current AAA titles, that should only realistically get better.

 

[Boomstick777]

^^

Agreed it's behind 7700K for gaming but so are all of Intel's own 6 (£500), 8 (£1000) and 10 (£1500) core chips..

Ryzen trashes Intel everywhere else for less money. Oh and less TDP xD

 

[humbug]

For those that think 4 core HT CPUs are good for the future....

1700 @ 3.9Ghz on the left - 7700K @ 5Ghz on the right.

@ CAT Ryzen in Windows 7 where the SMT issue doesn't exist.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

wait so ryzen which is not officially supported in windows 7 has no smt issues in windows 7??

 

[Crockett]

Some reports say this but also seen some things showing SMT on and off only has a few percent difference, really depends on the game. Clearly there are issues though which must be fixable with updates so looking forward to better performance.