Intel finally take the fight to AMD! (Kind of*)

[jigger]

The W9 3495X is now available, not really what was promised/hinted at and it seems we can’t get the full potential from DDR5 on the desktop yet, unsure what Intel have been doing in that regard… but Sapphire rapids is fast as.

ASRock, Asus and EVGA all offering retail stylee boards.

 

[Armageus]

490Watts....

4th Gen Intel Xeon W9-3495X – It’s a monster - KitGuru

Intel's 4th Gen Xeon aka Sapphire Rapids has had such a long and troubled gestation that these new C

www.kitguru.net

 

[humbug]

490Watts....

4th Gen Intel Xeon W9-3495X – It’s a monster - KitGuru

Intel's 4th Gen Xeon aka Sapphire Rapids has had such a long and troubled gestation that these new C

www.kitguru.net

At 513 Watts and it only just beats out AMD's now 3 year old CPU running at near half the power.

A 64 core Zen 4 will crush this let alone the 96 core.

How to you even cool a half KW CPU? In terms of a product, whose going to buy these?

 

[jigger]

490Watts....

4th Gen Intel Xeon W9-3495X – It’s a monster - KitGuru

Intel's 4th Gen Xeon aka Sapphire Rapids has had such a long and troubled gestation that these new C

www.kitguru.net

Performance requires power. No way around that, especially for Intel. 56 cores beating 64 is impressive.

Let loose I’m sure the W9 3495X is able to pull at lot more.

 

[Mesai]

Let loose I’m sure the W9 3495X is able to pull at lot more.

Germany shut down their nuclear reactors so I'm not sure where it'll get enough power to "let loose".

 

[humbug]

Performance requires power. No way around that, especially for Intel. 56 cores beating 64 is impressive.

Let loose I’m sure the W9 3495X is able to pull at lot more.

Is it? Is this empathy for Intel? Its not beating a 3 year old last gen CPU at 70% more power.

 

[jigger]

Is it? Is this empathy for Intel? Its not beating a 3 year old last gen CPU at 70% more power.

It’s a good effort on Intel’s part and much improved over the desktop situation. It’s progress in the right direction.

AMD have neglected Threadripper somewhat. I’d like to see some more effort. Frequency optimised 1S EPYC maybe, even if that is just on the low end parts. 9124FP and 9254FP at £1200ish £2400 respectively.

 

[jigger]

At 513 Watts and it only just beats out AMD's now 3 year old CPU running at near half the power.

A 64 core Zen 4 will crush this let alone the 96 core.

How to you even cool a half KW CPU? In terms of a product, whose going to buy these?

With a big arse water block and 140/180/200.3 rad.

 

[Hotwired]

Incentive for AMD to stop being miserable gits with TR perhaps.

No competition, binned the original TR, replaced with TR Pro, very slow in releasing new products.

 

[Minstadave]

Will this be better at gaming than a Macbook?

 

[Wing-Man]

Performance requires power. No way around that, especially for Intel. 56 cores beating 64 is impressive.

At 513 Watts and it only just beats out AMD's now 3 year old CPU running at near half the power.

its a 3 years old CPU it beats and needed double the power to do it

 

[jigger]

Completely flawed comparison. Performance doesn't scale linearly with power. You are assuming, wrongly, that if you push the tr to 400 watts it will perform much faster.

Proper efficiency comparisons are done at same wattage, anything else is just flawed.

Not really. Every electronic thing has an optimal power curve. Intel and AMD are miles apart, that’s what is being expressed.

 

[Bencher]

Not really. Every electronic thing has an optimal power curve. Intel and AMD are miles apart, that’s what is being expressed.

And you think Intel's optimal power curve is at 500w? Won't efficiency increase if you drop power draw to let's say 300w?

 

[uscool]

Cons:

Clock speeds are held back by the high power draw.
The power draw is far too high compared to AMD.
Sapphire Rapids has suffered delay after delay.

 

[tommoT.Striker]

Honestly disappointed by the performance of Sapphire Rapids Xeons, but not surprised one bit. The signs were there. It's still overall behind Zen 3 TR Pro, and a 513W OC doesn't really change that.

I'll be keeping my Zen 2 TR for a while yet. I may have to bite the bullet and wait for Zen 4 TR Pro's obscene prices.

 

[Jay85]

490Watts....

4th Gen Intel Xeon W9-3495X – It’s a monster - KitGuru

Intel's 4th Gen Xeon aka Sapphire Rapids has had such a long and troubled gestation that these new C

www.kitguru.net

I watched the same short and was gobsmacked by the power draw holy crap!

 

[Vince]

This isn't competition sadly, this is simply putting something out there to satisfy those that had already committed some 3 years ago... Late, not that fast and horrifically power hungry. This is a chip to satisfy shareholders and some large customers not to compete. To me, this chip shows up just how far their interconnect tech needs to come to be competing in this market, it would be much more competitive if it wasn't glued together with EMIB.

 

[mrk]

So you basically need a PSU /just/ for the CPU on this kind of build then

 

[Hotwired]

Intel doesn't need to have the best performance to sell a product.

It has to hit specs and have good support and good availability and if AMD doesn't put in the effort then businesses won't even have the opportunity to buy AMD. The Intel partner will be offering them a product containing an Intel cpu and that's the choice.

Where's the equivalent literal army of partners marching out to offer AMD based solutions.

 

[jigger]

Intel doesn't need to have the best performance to sell a product.

It has to hit specs and have good support and good availability and if AMD doesn't put in the effort then businesses won't even have the opportunity to buy AMD. The Intel partner will be offering them a product containing an Intel cpu and that's the choice.

Where's the equivalent literal army of partners marching out to offer AMD based solutions.

Maybe not, but the tide has turned on Intel’s win default. The market has moved on and Intel are miles behind. Sapphire rapids is small step forward.