Intel plans to support FreeSync.

[humbug]

Good, a huge Win for Open Standards, Intel are very strong in Discrete GPU less HTPC's.

 

[Martini1991]

I don't think Fs12 actually knows as much as he thinks he did.
Freesync is proprietary. Specific to AMD. That's not a bad thing, it's adaptive sync, (which props to AMD getting it in the vesa standard. Albeit optional) which is the open part. Although still needs a proprietary solution from the specific graphic vendors.

 

[Marine-RX179]

People seem to be missing what Mauller said earlier, which he was spot on with and that is that current Nvidia GPUs can't support the Freesync monitors, so instead of Nvidia sitting back, they did what was best for their customers and jumped on G-Sync FPGA modules that are needed for current and past Nvidia GPUs to work.

Call Open Standards as much as you like but if Nvidia didn't jump on G-Sync, Nvidia users would still be gaming with stutter and tearing and would be a year or so behind AMD users whilst they sorted it out on the GPU end.

Intel gamers are being catered for now, which is good but don't shoot Nvidia down for doing something for their customers....Again!

ICDP - We have Intel computers at work but not one of them is used for gaming and used for work only, so counting those as you are is silly!

The pass and present is done and dusted...what I want to know is what Nvidia will do for future Nvidia users that wish to use Adaptive-sync monitor instead of Gsync monitor?

I mean if I was to upgrade my graphic card now, I would most likely take a 980Ti over a Fury X...but I'm not happy with having to pay £150 extra for using sync. If Nvidia doesn't support adaptive-sync in their future products, it could well be the case of turning people away that wish to go Nvidia but have a set budget.

 

[LambChop]

Good, a huge Win for open standards, Intel are very strong in Discrete GPU less HTPC's.

What if Intel change the standard ?

 

[Mauller]

What if Intel change the standard ?

Then it would not be a standard.

 

[ICDP]

ICDP - We have Intel computers at work but not one of them is used for gaming and used for work only, so counting those as you are is silly!

You need to think long term here and also not exclusively as a gamer.

Adaptive sync allows a monitor to run at much lower refresh rates and as a result will consume less power.

Intel have clearly made a statement they intend to support Adaptive Sync in the future. Their iGPUs are getting more and more powerful and are actually quite viable for casual gamers at 1080p. The elitist attitude that iGPUs are not viable for gamers will not last forever. Intel supporting Adaptive Sync is (was) always going to be inevitable considering it is now a ratified VESA standard.

Instead of seeing benefits for all consumers, the Nvidia fans are trying to belittle this announcement as they see it as an attack on Nvidia.

 

[fs123]

I don't think Fs12 actually knows as much as he thinks he did.
Freesync is proprietary. Specific to AMD. That's not a bad thing, it's adaptive sync, (which props to AMD getting it in the vesa standard. Albeit optional) which is the open part. Although still needs a proprietary solution from the specific graphic vendors.

Freesync is just a brand name for adaptive sync like Nvidia's Gsync. How else would AMD advertise such an important feature?
According to press releases, Adaptive/Freesync is license free, royalty free so is not proprietary as you say. Proprietary is usually when it's closed to rivals such as G-sync.

Anyone and their dog can develop a gpu that will use the same feature that Freesync uses simply by adding this optional VESA standard to DP 1.2a. So far Nvidia has not done this to keep Gsync alive but with Intel on-board I think it won't be long until all monitors will have adaptive sync built in.

 

[Martini1991]

Freesync is just a brand name for adaptive sync like Nvidia's Gsync. How else would AMD advertise such an important feature?
According to press releases, Adaptive/Freesync is license free, royalty free so is not proprietary as you say. Proprietary is usually when it's closed to rivals such as G-sync.
Nvidia may have invented the basic idea behind it like some claim, but did they go to VESA and get it included in any standard? No..because they would lose the proprietary status and open it to everyone.

Anyone and their dog can develop a gpu that will use the same feature that Freesync uses simply by adding this optional VESA standard to DP 1.2a. So far Nvidia has not done this to keep Gsync alive but with Intel on-board I think it won't be long until all monitors will have adaptive sync built in.

Sorry but you're wrong.
I'm on a phone so haven't the effort to go into detail.
It's another AMD marketing error for me, although it's worked for their favour.

 

[Mauller]

From AMD's Site. Just to clear things up.

How are DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync and AMD FreeSync™ technology different?

DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient DisplayPort feature that enables real-time adjustment of monitor refresh rates required by technologies like AMD FreeSync™ technology. AMD FreeSync™ technology is a unique AMD hardware/software solution that utilizes DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync protocols to enable user-facing benefits: smooth, tearing-free and low-latency gameplay and video.​ Users are encouraged to read this interview​ to learn more.

Is DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync the industry-standard version of AMD FreeSync™ technology?

The DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync specification was ported from the Embedded DisplayPort specification through a proposal to the VESA group by AMD. DisplayPort Adaptive-Sync is an ingredient feature of a DisplayPort link and an industry standard that enables technologies like AMD FreeSync™ technology.​

So in Essence, Freesync is the Hardware/Software on AMD's side that enables Adaptive sync to work. Which uses the Display port Adaptive-Sync protocol to interface with monitors.

 

[ICDP]

The pass and present is done and dusted...what I want to know is what Nvidia will do for future Nvidia users that wish to use Adaptive-sync monitor instead of Gsync monitor?

If the vast majority or even all monitors in 2-3 years have Adaptive Sync as standard then Nvidia will have to adopt it. It would be poor marketing if future Nvidia GPUs do not support a standard that is available on all monitors.

 

[fs123]

Sorry but you're wrong.
I'm on a phone so haven't the effort to go into detail.
It's another AMD marketing error for me, although it's worked for their favour.

Am I wrong that when Intel implements Adaptive sync, a Freesync monitor will work with their igpu's?

What part of license and royalty free don't you understand?

 

[layte]

The vast majority of desktop/laptop devices use iGPUs. With Intel supporting adaptive sync, a massive incentive for monitor manufactures to include it as standard just became reality.

The problem is the majority of those manufacturers will just tick the box with whatever bargain basement scaler they have purchase, so giving a substandard working window for freesync (I'm sure I've seen some that only work 48-60Hz kek) and nasty overshoot issues because the overdrive is not controlled properly as in a G-Sync display.

Display manufacturers making expensive gaming displays are not going to be swayed by Intel supporting the standard, as people using integrated GPU's are not going to be buying 'gaming' displays. Far more 'gamers' or those likely to drop £££ on a 'gaming' display have G-Sync supporting GPU's than anything else.

I do like how this thread has descended into the schoolyard squabbling by the usual suspects, all brought about by the childish need to put the boot into anything Nvidia in the opening posts. Well done chaps.

 

[Mauller]

Am I wrong that when Intel implements Adaptive sync, a Freesync monitor will work with their igpu's?

What part of license and royalty free don't you understand?

The freesync branding on monitors is a free amd service. IT was added to show that amd tested the monitor and that it works with their implementation of Displayport adaptive sync.

So yes, if the monitor is running to the standard and so is the AMD card. And as long as the intel parts follow the same standard. Then a freesync branded monitor will work with intels Adaptive sync implementation.

Just as any monitor that states it supports Adaptive sync will work with a card that supports it. As long as both monitor and gpu are working to the standard.

 

[Martini1991]

Am I wrong that when Intel implements Adaptive sync, a Freesync monitor will work with their igpu's?

What part of license and royalty free don't you understand?

Freesync monitor is just branding.
They won't be running Freesync. It's a marketing error. Which worked out for AMD.
Freesync is proprietary

 

[bru]

Stupid, Stupid, Stupid, NVidia.
Why did you have to be so bleeding closed minded when you came up with G-Sync. If only they had of made it useable by anyone, then we wouldn't be in this stupid situation.
Yet again the inferior technology is going to win out, it is like HD DVD vs Blu-Ray or Betamax vs VHS all over again.
If NVidia would have let everybody use G-Sync then the monitor manufacturers would have eventually swallowed the cost of the module and everybody would be able to use the technically superior adaptive refresh rate technology. But as it is G-Sync's closed-ness forced AMD to look for alternatives, which of course they found a similar effect could be done with the EDP system which they persuaded VESA to morph into Adaptive-Sync. Which is great and all that but I'm sure we will all agree that from a technical standpoint the Adaptive-Sync isn't as capable as G-Sync yet. Of course it will get there and in a good few years once it is the only variable refresh rate tech available it will be better than what G-Sync is capable of now.

On the other point, yes I do believe that the Maxwell video output capability isn't compatible with Adaptive-Sync, sort of like the way, AMD's GCN 1.2 architecture isn't capable of HDMI2.0. It is something that NVidia will fix in Pascal I expect, unless it is too late in the design/production of Pascal to include it, just as AMD will have HDMI 2.0 support in a future GPU.

 

[layte]

Jesus guys give the pedantry a rest. Lets just roll that for most people, the phrases Freesync and Adaptive Sync can used to refer to the same thing.

 

[humbug]

Right ^^ Intel will run any Free-Sync Monitor.

Intel may brand their software something else and have Free-Sync Screen Vendors print it on their panels alongside the Free-Sync branding.

Or not, or AMD are licensing their Software to Intel and it may remain Free-Sync.

 

[fs123]

Freesync monitor is just branding.
They won't be running Freesync. It's a marketing error. Which worked out for AMD.
Freesync is proprietary

Like I said previously, Freesync is a brand name like Gsync to make adaptive sync sound interesting and stand out. Anyone is able to use Freesync if they so wish...
Intel may call their implementation something else but I bet their gpu's will work with Freesync monitors, no matter what the Nvidia hardcore say...
In fact monitor makers will simply advertise the monitors as Freesync/Intelsync capable.

 

[Mauller]

Yet again the inferior technology is going to win out, it is like HD DVD vs Blu-Ray or Betamax vs VHS all over again.

Sorry to be pedantic, but Blu-Ray was superior to HD-DVD And yeah, sadly VHS only gained the same quality as Betamax when S-VHS came out. But support for S-VHS was far and in between.

Then there was also Laserdisc, but let's not talk about LP sized CD's

 

[humbug]

Sorry to be pedantic, but Blu-Ray was superior to HD-DVD And yeah, sadly VHS only gained the same quality as Betamax when S-VHS came out. But support for S-VHS was far and in between.

Then there was also Laserdisc, but let's not talk about LP sized CD's

I remember those LP sized CD's, Video-CD.... this was before DVD, those things were hilarious huge.....