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Intel Preps Core i7 9700k 8 core 16 Thread Mainstream CPU

gavinh87 said:
Clock a ryzen cpu to 4.5-5.0 and see what the temps are like. At 3.8 my 1700 was around 70c under realbench. Clock an i7 to that speed and it will be roughly the same or cooler.

Yes tim is worse than solder but the difference isn't as big as people would have you believe
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Wouldn't it be better to compare it to a delidded version of itself rather than a soldered Ryzen? You'll at least get a better idea of the difference it might make. That's presuming a delid can only match a soldered version of itself at best. But I've never delidded so I don't know the finer points of doing so, Does a delid perform better than a soldered?
 
4K8KW10 said:
With chewing gum under the lid, they must be saving 5 cents max with every chip. So, yes, it doesn't make sense for these anti-consumer practices.
They are so arrogant to sell those K overclockable processors, and when those have problems with overheating, Intel trolls customers to stop overclocking their K processors.

Intel Says i7 7700K CPUs Shouldn’t Be Overclocked In Response To Countless Overheating Complaints https://wccftech.com/intel-i7-7700k-owners-flood-forums-with-overheating-complaints/
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Still waiting for your correct TIM multi million dollar epiphany. I see you've resorted to clickbait articles instead. Say no more :D lol
 
Silent_Scone said:
Still waiting for your correct TIM multi million dollar epiphany. I see you've resorted to clickbait articles instead. Say no more :D lol
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I dont think you got the concept or point. We know Intel have the option of solder so don't have to use paste, but if they did have to use paste we know they have higher performing compounds as options.

Why pick crap TIM on the flagship desktop?
 
jigger said:
I dont think you got the concept or point. We know Intel have the option of solder so don't have to use paste, but if they did have to use paste we know they have higher performing compounds as options.

Why pick crap TIM on the flagship desktop?
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Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the concept a great deal more than you.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Still waiting for your correct TIM multi million dollar epiphany. I see you've resorted to clickbait articles instead.
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It is a news covered by everyone. There are dozens of articles on the very same headline, and dozens of discussions everywhere.

I think I will agree with these people who say that Intel does it because they couldn't care less about the mainstream market and the feelings/ satisfaction of its customers.
 
4K8KW10 said:
It is a news covered by everyone. There are dozens of articles on the very same headline, and dozens of discussions everywhere.

I think I will agree with these people who say that Intel does it because they couldn't care less about the mainstream market and the feelings/ satisfaction of its customers.
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Right, of course. And what about your earlier epiphany regarding using an alternative solder? Maybe you can list the types of solder that will adhere to copper or silicon for a start. And also, more importantly, better or nearing as good thermal retention? Maybe show some data regarding the longevity of thermal compounds when subject to varying thermal cycles on a certain surface area?

Of course, you don't know these things - and neither does anyone else in this thread. The only given thing that is absolute as already stated, is what I have already said. And that is the ecological aspect that the materials needed are rare, expensive, and not environmentally friendly to obtain.

When you're as big as Intel are, these things get noticed. It's just a fact.

https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/environment/intel-and-the-environment.html

Call me out on whatever you want, I don't like how hot my 7940X runs. But it doesn't change anything. Of course I'd be much happier if my CPU was soldered, I'd be mad not to - but that doesn't mean I can't understand why it's not.
 
Silent Scone said:
Of course, you don't know these things - and neither does anyone else in this thread. The only given thing that is absolute as already stated, is what I have already said. And that is the ecological aspect that the materials needed are rare, expensive, and not environmentally friendly to obtain.
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I'm not convinced making the i7-9700X draw 230 W at stock is terribly environmentally friendly either. :D

You are correct in the fact that you state but that doesn't tell us the reason that Intel doesn't use solder on their consumer CPU dies any more. It only tells us a possible reason, one which I'm sure Intel would prefer people to believe compared to the "it's cheaper to use TIM and we don't care" reason.
 
A lot of those "environmental" initiatives are also down to cost too,ie,fear of being persued under various legislations passed in many parts of the world,or have people forgotten one of the reasons Trump is trying to make cuts to the EPA in the US,and reduce regulations,etc(even if the environment is affected) since business in the US have complained about "costs" in regards to this?? OTH,in some parts of the world,you might even get tax breaks too,if you try and be more environmentally friendly,etc(IIRC).

Also another thing,Intel couldn't give a monkeys about hardware enthusiasts on forums in the larger scheme of things,since the vast majority of their own users won't ever overclock,and they need to only make sure their CPUs work fine for the duration of the given warranty. Intel won't care how hot a CPU runs as long or whether longterm it causes more issues,since its out of their remit outside the warranty period,and AMD has done the same for some of its own products too.

The fact that they can only need to use one supply line and one class of interface material will also simplify their supply lines anyway. Think about having to have separate lines to solder certain CPUs,storing the materials,etc?? Far simpler and cheaper to just stick to one method,and the added benefit is if they can bulk order the materials in larger quantities they can drive the price down. Plus unless Intel is devloping the TIM in-house they are more likely will be contracting companies to do so and can pit them against each other to drive costs down. I expect companies making the interface materials using rarer metals will be far lower in nature due to the costs involved in working with such materials.
 
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If you look at how Intel have worked clockspeeds over the various desktop chips it's clear the IPC and clockspeeds gains are at an end with the current designs. It's also clear Intel are more focused on Xeon and Laptop markets and the desktop has been dropped down the pecking order by a long way now.

It's got to the point that Intel now have to hold back the desktop as not to canabalise other platforms while still supplying the market until 2021 with minimal clock speed gains and maybe even dropping clockspeeds for 'upto' performance figures with valuables.
 
DragonQ said:
I'm not convinced making the i7-9700X draw 230 W at stock is terribly environmentally friendly either. :D

You are correct in the fact that you state but that doesn't tell us the reason that Intel doesn't use solder on their consumer CPU dies any more. It only tells us a possible reason, one which I'm sure Intel would prefer people to believe compared to the "it's cheaper to use TIM and we don't care" reason.
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Of course it's cheaper, that's just a fact. Unfortunately the reasons not to use indium outweigh the options for.
 
DragonQ said:
I'm not convinced making the i7-9700X draw 230 W at stock is terribly environmentally friendly either. :D

You are correct in the fact that you state but that doesn't tell us the reason that Intel doesn't use solder on their consumer CPU dies any more. It only tells us a possible reason, one which I'm sure Intel would prefer people to believe compared to the "it's cheaper to use TIM and we don't care" reason.
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A hotter chip draws more power from the grid, so, no, using TIM isn't friendly for the environment.
 
jigger said:
If you look at how Intel have worked clockspeeds over the various desktop chips it's clear the IPC and clockspeeds gains are at an end with the current designs. It's also clear Intel are more focused on Xeon and Laptop markets and the desktop has been dropped down the pecking order by a long way now.

It got to the point that Intel now have to hold back the desktop as not to canabalise other platforms while still supplying the market until 2021 with minimal clock speed gains and maybe even dropping clockspeeds for 'upto' performance figures with valuables.
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Adored is that you? I thought this 8400 bs was already put to bed......
On another note there's a leaked intel roadmap pic showing no 8 core coffeelake nor icelake in 2018
 
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